need to shut up a coworker about the fed reserve

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i need a hand from you guys.... here is his email, please retort.............Are u for real?? why not audit the pentagon then or DoD for that matter.. Inflation is an increase in price in products imported to this country and if you can't tell me what actually causes prices to go up in an inflationary manner and NO the answer is not by printing money.. It has to do with price wages and commodities prices..
That is 66% of inflation the other third is printing money.. And remember we are an exporter country of goods..and an importer of huge amts of commodities.. So unless u leave the US with your Dollar you will not see this inflation u speak of unless exchanging it for another currency, on the contrary the devaluation of the dollar brings in more dollars than a super strong dollar. Would therby making our exports more competative...

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thanks people

great job

Google "Stuart Crane Wheat Reciepts"

I still say give up on the guy, but Dr Crane makes it very easy to understand.

Do it police style

use a tazer. ;)

Send Them Here

Who know Willie Nelson was such a radical!
http://willienelsonpri.com/peace/1677/nature-of-money-quotat...

I especially like this one: “The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. . . . I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the Government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.” — Thomas Jefferson

Wake up homeless? You mean like a mortgage crisis?

Bubba & Johnny

Little Bubba has 10 apples. He charges 1.00 per apple. He stands behind what he sales and says if you take one bite and dont like it..I will take them back and refund your money.
Here comes little Johnny..that rotten little brat. He also has apples,bout 2 dozen of them, but his are smaller, have a few bad spots, and he doesnt stand behind them. He sales his apples for 10cents each. People flock to him, buying them, forcing little Bubba to lower his prices.
People are happy with Johnnys apples..at first...They figure cut a bit here and there to get the bad spots out, and still they believe they are geting a better deal.
Soon little Bubba goes out of business and little Johnny buys up his stock. Now Johnny charges 2.00 for his rotten apples, while keeping Bubbas good apples for himself.

There you go..so simple an idiot can understand it.

Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.

I believe in Hope & Change..I Hope the government will Change
Spindale-Rutherford County-North Carolina

Your friend said ...

Your friend said, "Inflation is an increase in price in products imported to this country and if you can't tell me what actually causes prices to go up in an inflationary manner and NO the answer is not by printing money.. It has to do with price wages and commodities prices."

1st: He is mistaking the effect for the cause. He defines inflation as the rise in prices when in fact it is the expantion of the money supply. The definition was changed to hide the real culprits, the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.

2nd: This monitary inflation coupled with tariffs, price fixing, subsidies, and other forms of government intervention in the markets has the effect of creating booms and busts where labor and capital resources in the economy are redirected from their most efficient use based on market demand to projects where they will be wasted. False signals are created in the market which causes businesses to overextend themselves and quite often go bankrupt as we are seeing today.

So, on the one hand you have the devaluation of the currency through the expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking; and on the other hand you have the other forms of government intervention. They both have the effect of distorting the market price system which is necessary for entrepreneurs to efficiently allocate the factors of production in the economy. Businesses overextend themselves, and resources are wasted and diverted from where they are really needed. You also have more dollars chasing after fewer goods.

Your friend also said, "And remember we are an exporter country of goods..and an importer of huge amts of commodities."

A country only exports so it can import; or, to put it another way, we pay for our imports with exports. As our manufacturing base is essentially destroyed, what we are primarily exporting today is our federal reserve notes. The world has been accepting our devalued dollars for the real goods we import from them. If we have nothing to sell them then they accumulate our dollars. In a way your friend is partially correct; as long as they hold our dollars instead of dumping it back into our system, they absorb much of the price increase we would experience here from the expansion of the money supply.

What You Should Know About Inflation by Henry Hazlit (1960)
Excerpt:
Chapter 1. What Inflation Is

"No subject is so much discussed today—or so little understood—
as inflation. The politicians in Washington talk of
it as if it were some horrible visitation from without, over
which they had no control—like a flood, a foreign invasion,
or a plague. It is something they are always promising to
"fight"—if Congress or the people will only give them the
"weapons" or "a strong law" to do the job.
Yet the plain truth is that our political leaders have
brought on inflation by their own money and fiscal policies.
They are promising to fight with their right hand the conditions
brought on with their left.
Inflation, always and everywhere, is primarily caused by
an increase in the supply of money and credit. In fact,
inflation is the increase in the supply of money and credit.
If you turn to the American College Dictionary, for example,
you will find the first definition of inflation given as follows:
"Undue expansion or increase of the currency of a country,
esp. by the issuing of paper money not redeemable in specie."
In recent years, however, the term has come to be used
in a radically different sense. This is recognized in the
second definition given by the American College Dictionary:

"A substantial rise of prices caused by an undue expansion
in paper money or bank credit." Now obviously a rise of
prices caused by an expansion of the money supply is not
the same thing as the expansion of the money supply itself.
A cause or condition is clearly not identical with one of
its consequences. The use of the word "inflation" with these
two quite different meanings leads to endless confusion.
The word "inflation" originally applied solely to the
quantity of money. It meant that the volume of money was
inflated, blown up, overextended. It is not mere pedantry
to insist that the word should be used only in its original
meaning. To use it to mean "a rise in prices" is to deflect
attention away from the real cause of inflation and the real
cure for it.
(emphasis added)
Let us see what happens under inflation, and why it happens.
When the supply of money is increased, people have
more money to offer for goods. If the supply of goods does
not increase—or does not increase as much as the supply
of money—then the prices of goods will go up. Each individual
dollar becomes less valuable because there are more
dollars. Therefore more of them will be offered against,
say, a pair of shoes or a hundred bushels of wheat than
before. A "price" is an exchange ratio between a dollar and
a unit of goods. When people have more dollars, they value
each dollar less. Goods then rise in price, not because goods
are scarcer than before, but because dollars are more abundant."

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"Webster's Dictionary" caught changing definitions - paul4won

I'm not sure ...

I'm not sure where he gets his numbers but the CPI, which is supposed to measure the rise in prices of consumer goods -- deceptively called inflation --, is a meaningless statistic.

It first began as a fix baskets of goods where changes in the cost of these same goods could be measured over time.

Over the last few decades changes were made in order to understate the rise in prices so that social security payments would not rise as rapidly.

The main changes
- The original fixed basket of goods was changed to a variable basket of goods.
(if costs rose too fast in one item it would be replaced by another, lower cost item most often of lower quality)

- The "core" rate of "inflation" statistic used on wallstreet does not include food or energy which accounts for a large portion of consumer spending.

- Hedonic adjustments are made which adjust the price increase of an item according to the arbitrary measurement of enjoyment or satisfaction a person receives from the new higher quality version of the same item.

- Intervention analysis is used to dampen the season volitility in the rising prices of certain goods without consistently applying the same technique when prices are declining.

Shadow Government Statistics - John Williams
(He is not an antifed proponent but he does reveal how the government has tamperd with government statistics over the years.)

It is also interesting to note that the Fed no longer reports the M3 statistic which shows the rate at which the money supply is increased.

I think I love you! what a

I think I love you! what a healthy debate. If only the posters' friend had an account to try and rebuttle... XD

Seriously though; this is why I come to this site.

lol

I learn a lot here too. Mises.org and lewrockwell.com are great as well. I also enjoy listening to Peter Schiff for his ability to explaining things in a simple way.

If he can't watch Money Masters

have him read these.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Currency_component_of_the_...

The last link is the US money supply growth.

The men who control the money supply are responsible for the graph.
This is not a coincidence.

This is the plan.

Finally tell him who owns the fed and that they have PUBLICLY announced they want one world government........on numerous occasions.

Unify

Roll up a FRN note and

Roll up an FRN note and use it like a cork! Both quite and happy would be the best outcome for you!

"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry

"We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone - it is to the

He is correct

At least partially.
There are truths to what he is saying, he just misses on the long term consequences of his choice, just like most lefties. Do not respond in kind with half truths that damage your credibility. This guy is not stupid, just mistaken. If he knows more than you take the opertunity to learn from him and research it yourself.
If you try to "SHUT him up" you are doing no one a favor except maybe your ego, and that only if you win which is doubtful, at best.

What is wrong with inflation is that it is regressive tax. That is, it hurts the poorest the most. You can think about it in simple terms. Inflation is the taking of value away from those who do not have assets and giving it to them that do. If a person needs to save 20% for a down payment on home, and that house rises in price 3-5% a year it will be nearly impossible to keep up with with the price of the home. This is where Interest only loans came in. It was meant to help the poor get a head of inflation, and money into hands of bankers. But what it did was instead create a false bubble.
This is what Ron Paul calls unintended consequences.
The other side of the coin is that you need discipline people in Govt to make sure inflation never gets to high and spending stays uncontroll.
This just simply does not happen. It is just as bad as some left wing hope that the world will live in some Utopian communistic society. It will never and has never happened.

yeah... what about the rrr? isn't inflation a tax...

it sounds like this coworker hasn't taken the time to read the short and useful "Economics in one Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. (free online, just search). Hazlitt asserts that the most common mistake that hurts society is the failure of economists like Keynesian central economic planners when they only look at the short term boom, but never the long term bust... e.g. our current situation.
and he is not stupid, no one is - just full of potential.... here's what i'd say:

of course goods naturally fluctuate in price depending on those supply/demand curves you learned about it econ class... no duh... but what about the money that is created under fractional reserve lending? this is the underlying problem with the fed (please correct me if mistaken). they protect fractional reserve banking by setting the Required Reserve Ratio (RRR) at a low percent (i think its usually around 10%; meaning if you deposit $100: they credit you with $100, lock up $10, and immediately put the other $90 up for loan... this is YOUR ninety bucks being loaned out... but you still have your bank credit for $!00, so they just created ninety dollars out of thin air and potentially loaned it out at interest... this is a method the fed uses to inflate: dropping the RRR.) if I'm not sorely mistaken, this IS a cause of inflation, and IS the primary way the fed inflates monetarily, and it of course affects both the supply and demand of goods.
It comes down to this: Inflation is a Tax... and if he argues that it isn't an unfair, regressive tax; throw the below video at 'em...

see, The Honorable Dr. Ron Paul v. Helicopter Ben Bernanke (07/16/08): here Bernanke admits inflation is a tax...this is a handy video for these types of coworkers...

-Peace and Liberty
"Six Months That Changed the World"

Which is what I don't understand......

If the "Federal Reserve" really represented this so called utopian form of government, why did they deliberately create a system of credit that actually - increases - inflation the more you spend non-chalantly encouraging people to spend more in order to raise inflation?

http://amadon606.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/federal-reserve-ba...

If they really had great intentions for keeping the economy on track....Why would they actively seek to undermine that goal, by making it more of a commodity to "spend" and thus the more they spend the more taxes are incurred....

Doesn't make sense from a fiscal point of view. What it really sounds like to me, is legalized theft via government bribery. (Simple description)

legal plunder perhaps?

you should check out Frederic Bastiat's "The Law"... he talks about legal plunder, and don't forget what Charles Comte said:

"What must never be lost sight of is that a public functionary, in his capacity as functionary, produces absolutely nothing; that, on the contrary, he exists only on the products of the industrious class; and that he can consume nothing that has not been taken from the producers."

the non-conspiracy theorist answer to your question of why are they doing such bad things is this: they are keynesian fools who actually believe that it is possible to get blood out of a turnip... and they are being taken seriously...

-Peace and Liberty
"Six Months That Changed the World"

Probably...

But they still stole people's wealth and obviously loved this system due to how much they could tax everybody....

And that would explain why some of these bankers are psychopaths, they love to tax everyone and everything and they seemingly love to spend into oblivion because they can.

Nice post

.

you might try this

a little something I wrote up a few days ago in response to an email I had received:

Because the States gave the power to coin money to the federal government and denied it to themselves, and since they also imposed upon themselves a requirement to accept only gold and silver Coin as a Tender in the Payment of Debts, government paper money cannot exist. However notes of the Federal Reserve System, which is not part of government, were made legal tender by the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103:

"United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

So, in spite of efforts early on to ensure sound money for America, the friends of paper money eventually got their way. Since bad money chases out good, the "United States coins" referred to above are in reality tokens which have masqueraded as US coin since 1965.

Constitutional Tender Acts seek to break this monopoly of paper money and token coin:

http://www.sicm.com/constitutionaltender/template.htm

In response to your query "do you know why we need a change to legal tender and how changing the status quo will benefit the USA? I would say that it can only be of benefit to rid ourselves of a system that slowly but surely destroys civilization.

"The Perfect Government"

Did I just wake up from a long slumber, or am I basically realizing the facts I've known deep down all along about the Federal Reserve and wouldn't admit?

In "The Perfect Government", the Federal Reserve System was supposedly designed in order to give everyone a perfect line of economic credit in both times of inflation & times of deflation.

The "Perfect Government" model implied that, you could borrow from us as much as you needed to, and come out ahead, because we could tax it back from the masses and return it to you without any problem.

But iin practice, the "Perfect Government" model actually does the opposite...It doesn't encourage you to save, it instead encourages you to spend which devalues the currency faster & faster where hyper inflation becomes very normal.

Yet the "FRS" continues to encourage you to spend more, with the intent that they are going to tax it even more right from you , leading to inflation most of the time which actually makes you spend even more.

"The Perfect System" fails to acknowledge in practice it saddles you with large debt, while still saying otherwise by encouraging you to spend more money to inflate the rates faster...in order to spend again.

Thus "The Perfect Government System" is a system of fraud, as they are stealing from you every time you go further & further or earn more paper fiat money and in the end they are stealing from every creditor.

This then would mean that there could only be one purpose to such a system, to enslave everyone else into debt: This system should NOT have ever been created from the sounds of things.

great post!

It really explains how the system works, or rather can't, in the end, work. You've given new meaning to the term "tax and spend."

Here's an excerpt of Henry Hazlitt's introduction to Andrew Dickson White's Fiat Money Inflation in France:

"Nothing but injustice, discouragement of work and thrift, encouragement of speculation and gambling, and economic disruption can follow from an effort to swindle creditors to the benefit of debtors by a constant lowering of the purchasing power of the monetary unit."

What I meant to say was...

spend and tax, not, as the saying goes, tax and spend.

And it all begins at the Fed.

Ron Paul is my President

Almost like.......Legalized Gambling....

This is definitely NOT a "government for, and by the people" here!

Time we restore it to be just that, however with the Rand Pauls leading the way.

Have him read this:

An article I wrote on inflation on my myspace page. It explains it's cause and provides the proof. Fully documented and the documentation is built right into the article. Longer than your average article, but way shorter than a book:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&frie...

Happy reading to you and your "friend"

Sincerely,

Paul C. Hanson

Just shut up about it and

Just shut up about it and stop trying to teach that fucking idiot. Let Him and His family starve for His stupidity. The time You waste on that total waste of sperm You could have woke up 2 other people. I talked till I was blue in the face for 1 year before the people I work with started listening to me. They understand what I am saying but they don't understand the scope of what is happening. Now I handed two people the Obama deception and guess what their eyes opened up in 2.5 hours... After they watched that they started watching other videos about the federal reserve and on 9/11. The point is people will listen but sometimes it takes a good video with NEWS clips to truelly wake them up.... So stop wasting Your time because that person is lost and totally stupid and deserves whats coming to Him. The reason I say He is stupid is because He does not hunger for truth and can't admit He is wrong just like 90% of the rest of this country caught in groupthink mode. The best part about it though is when they are out of work or they have lost everything with inflation then they will wake up.

I'm just curious to find out

I'm just curious to find out which parts of the Obama Deception are so persuasive to people who are converted by it. I watched it but I'm already part of the choir. So, I'm not sure which segments in it are eye opening enough to get Obamanoids to question what is happening.

Don't try to shut him/her up ...

his/her thoughts have merit.

Suggest a path ...

and put the ball in his/her court.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

our job is not to convince

our job is not to convince the world, but plant seeds and see what grows. He will understand when this government crashes and it affects him personally

how about?

some good old investigative work on his part? Ask him if he's read any of the following, and if not, suggest he do so.

Andrew Dickson White's Fiat Money Inflation in France - available online at gutenberg.org: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/6949 and also at google books.

Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse by Thomas E Woods Jr

The Case for Gold - A Minority Report of the US Gold Commission by Ron Paul and Lewis Lehrman - available online at scribd.com:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5157851/Paul-Ron-Case-for-Gold-The

Look what Government has Done to our Money by Murray N. Rothbard

Honest Money: The Biblical Blueprint for Money and Banking by Gary North - available online at http://www.garynorth.com/public/512.cfm

Someone was auditing the Pentagon and DoD.....on 9/11.

At the Pentagon, on 9/10 Rumsfeld announced they had misplaced a few taxpayer dollars ($2.3 trillion, give or take a few). The part of the Pentagon that got hit by the "plane" happened to be the section gathering evidence for prosecution. The same thing the SEC was doing at Building # 7 WTC, the SEC was investigating corrupt business interests, including Enron (Bush was involved), the Carlyle Group (Daddy Bush) and the list goes on. Most investigators understand the hazards of dying by plane while working in the office. A recent occupational hazard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

thank you!

Thanks for posting. That's what I was going to reply. The problem is they keep giving the Pentagon more money without any questions.