OK Constitutionalists! Here's your BIG chance!

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Name one 'constitutional republic' (heck, how about a government) that has never used violence and/or threats of violence against the very people that government was allegedly created to defend to fund itself.

Sorry if you were expecting a giant strawman. I left mine in the garden to keep the critters away.

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I'm going to be kind to you ..A Republic allows you to be what you want to be ..America was founded on each & every person being an anarchist, which is your passion.. The anarchists came together to form a defenseable gov't that would defend your freedom to be an anarchist ,because they had enough common sense to realize that an anarchist cannot defend against the World..
The Republic is damaged goods, but not yet defeated ..WE here are trying to bring back the glory of individual pursuit & happiness which is the purpose of this Republic..Yes, taxation is neccessary you must admit that..If you would go back to the founding principles ,you would find they never intended to have an Income Tax....Any tax after Income Tax is Double taxation ..WE already have triple taxation on gross wages from three gov't entities...This method of collecting tax, on goods sold, was implimented originally because they considered your purchases as something voluntary & under your personal control ..You could choose to buy or not buy...
We have left this principle when the FED took over..So in my view you want to shoot yourself in the foot or some place worse. Get on board the train before you have NONE.
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

Please tell me you're kidding.

You say above "America was founded on each & every person being an anarchist..."

Are you F'ing kidding me? Are you for real? I've always thought your posts were a bit wacky, but this one takes the cake. What person that believes in self ownership and NO RULERS would consent to let alone assist with the establishment of a government with unlimited self declared power and authority?

You also say "Yes, taxation is neccessary you must admit that..."
No, actually, taxation IS NOT necessary. What gives YOU the right to make that claim on what isn't yours?

First off...

would consent to let alone assist with the establishment of a government with unlimited self declared power and authority?

That is not how the Republic was set up. It was set up without Rulers (see the Constitution) and for us to have our personal freedoms (See Bill Of Rights). We the People let it get the way it is now... a bastardization of what it was really meant to be. If you are unaware of that then I understand all of your ridiculous posts to this point. Stop and read up on the subject.

Secondly, taxation is necessary because you will need a military arm to defend the Republic. In your perfect anarchist world there would be no military, remember? Unless your anarchists decided that they would voluntarily pay for some of them to BE a military. Which would not work as an anarchist, because then you have a chain of command and people telling you what to do (and a tax).

Again, anarchy cannot work anywhere besides in a theoretical world... because even if you took a bunch of anarchists and stripped human nature out of them so that they could co-exist, they would be exterminated soon enough by other societies.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

anarchy vs. minarchy

You should listen to this debate between Michael Badnarik (2004 Libertarian presidential candidate) and Stefan Molyneux on “How Much Government is Necessary” – July 5, 2009 at Drexel University

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Again Switzerland !

You prove me wrong with honest facts, Mr None !

I'll even help you:

http://geography.about.com/library/cia/blcswitzerland.htm

{ An assessment from the U.S. snip }:

Switzerland is a peaceful, prosperous, and stable modern market economy with low unemployment, a highly skilled labor force, and a per capita GDP larger than that of the big Western European economies.

beesting

What does the Swiss government do to those...

...who don't pay taxes?

You Go Find Out.

For a comparison only,,, when I lived in Japan the large corporations payed all the countries taxes out of the profits they made.
The little guys got to keep or save their entire pay, hence Japan soon had much more cash than the countries that borrowed and taxed.

Small home businesses were everywhere in those days.

How did the U.S. government run itself before 1913 when the IRS was founded?

beesting

Don't know...

not Swiss. Let's fix America first.

Assert Your Authority

Assert Your Authority

How do you propose to do that?

Get the people you want elected to enforce the rules you approve of? What would you have your perfect government do to me if I didn't pay the extortion money it demanded from me?

You are the one deeming me...

your enemy. You are the one forcing yourself into beleiving that I pose a threat to you. I've tried to be agreeable, and rather congenial in my discussions with you. However, you lash and slash unless I acquiess to your terms. I, of course enforce my position that to make the journey of a thousand steps we must make a thousand steps, not one big leap, as I feel that you propose. If you do not like that position, I'm sorry that you feel me your enemy. I think you are fighting phantoms of disillusionment. In some ways you remind me of Bart Simpson screaming "Are we there yet" because you seem to have no vision of the time and patience required to make an impact on a society. I think you fail to understand the incredible effort required to create that first big dent, and then the second and third, etc... in the present ramparts of corporatism that has usurped the leadership of this nation. However, on the other hand you remind me of a child hiding under the covers from the monster under the bed. The belief that a thin sheet, a thin claim that the end can exist so we can just bypass all the real effort of change (not Obama's kind - boy he really destroyed that word) required to make that end possible.
Some survival schools teach a navigation tactic borrowed from aboriginal Aulstralians. This system is based on point of view relationships. In operation, the traveler makes a story based on landmarks (land features, plants, etc...) so that to return to the beginning the traveler tells the story backward, retracing steps previously taken.
As a society we are lost. Should we strike out from an unknown position to some known, but incalculable destination (because if you are lost how can you claim to know where you, or your destination really are?), or should we retrace our steps so that we can return to a known position and navigate properly toward our destination?
I do not wish to dissuade your zeal, but would ask you to consider your focus and since you seem to understand why you want an anarchic society, then now to consider how you can get there. I don't understand why you feel I am an impediment to your goals. We are traveling the same path. When I want to turn off from that path, because I think I want to turn from that path earlier than you, then why are you not free to continue down your road? I think your aversion is not toward me, but toward your failure to plan and fully understand your path.

Assert Your Authority

Assert Your Authority

Hopefully...

put you in a place with no internet connection.

I'd pay extra taxes for that alone... :)

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

My only wish would be that...

...you come to my home to attempt to enforce your will on me for yourself. Better still would be that you realize you have no valid claim on me or my property, but I don't expect that kind of civility from statists.

that's non-agression...

for you.

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Assert Your Authority

Actually, it's defense

Where did I state I'd come to your home to steal from you? I am only pointing out that if you were to attempt to steal from me for yourself, I'd defend myself.

Now you're talking...

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Assert Your Authority

intervention for you

Help is on the way.

subtle distinctions...

or is a rose only a rose. Are all orchids only orchids, what defines a difference? Does one orange smell and taste like all others, or is each individual at minimum subtly different from the others? What separates an up quark from a down quark, where does fractal theory really lead? Is the enemy of your enemy really your friend?, or simply another enemy? Is isolation different fron non-intervention?

http://blog.thomaspaineproject.org/2009/06/28/statist-or-con...

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Assert Your Authority

Who realy give a rats

Who realy give a rats bitushca ? Your smoking the wrong dope here.
We have been delt a deck of card from our forefathers ..Sorry I'm not throwing it away just yet..You want something that is so non-performing it doesn't exist.
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

And again, you still can't name one...

Gee, I post a question that those who claim to support 'liberty' through government ought to be able to provide a positive answer for and all I get is childish responses.

You're a shining example of what's wrong with people who claim they want 'liberty' through government, you know that? Keep up the good work.

More proof of : no substance

More proof of : no substance ,just defamation & name calling. LIBERAL.
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

Because you view taxation as

Because you view taxation as theft, there can be no answer satisfying you. My answer(which I have already given) is SO WHAT!?!?!? The alternative to forced taxation is anarchy, which for its short lifespan would be worse. I base that off of my reading of history and understanding of human nature. While I do not believe that anarchy should be off the table while discussing THEORY, as to start from the premise that the state exists is to create a bias towards statism(Krugman did this effectively in his "Peddling Prosperity" book), in practice I do not believe that anarchy is workable.

Ventura 2012

Taxation IS theft

Just because you think you have the right to steal other people's property doesn't mean that you do.

Rights have nothing to do

Rights have nothing to do with it. Neccessity has everything to do with it.

Ventura 2012

Liberty and thievery are not compatible

Theft is never necessary.

Agree with your first point

Agree with your first point inasmuch as you do not have ownership/liberty in the things that were taken from you, but I disagree with your second point.

Ventura 2012

deck of cards

We have been delt a deck of card from our forefathers

Maybe they weren't playing with a full deck. Are you?

WOW someone is a gemious

WOW someone is a genious here.
MORE no substance ,just defamation & name calling.
Got anything else ,sirs ?
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

DID you find out who loves

DID you find out who loves the Constitution, Come get us.
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.

Still can't name one, can you cookie master?

It's ok. The truth hurts. I understand.

As for your sig line, if "good people do good things.. The rest are liars." is the way you feel, how do you reconcile that with your desire to impose a government on me which will steal my property from me? After all, you claim you want me to have liberty, don't you? So how can I have my liberty when what you're so ardently advocating will simply deny me my liberty? Doesn't that make you a liar? You really don't want me to have liberty, you want me to obey the rules you like imposed by the people you approve of. Be honest.

More ; no substance , just

More ; no substance , just defamation & name calling . LIBERAL ?
YES, good people do good things.. The rest are liars.