What if 911 was an inside job,

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and what if the state run media told the people the truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgRsxv3KWkg

We have been struggling because we do not have near enough the numbers to make a huge difference.

If 911 was proven to be an inside job. Then all that came afterward, would be rejected by the people.

The wars, the engineered economic collapse (glass-steagall repealed), the loss of our liberties, the spying, the torture, the deaths of millions.

Never stop striving for the truth.

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Did Dick Cheney"Accidentally" Let 9/11 Happen?

He Only Had to Wait a Couple of Minutes

Before you say “that’s a crazy conspiracy theory”, please note that Cheney would have only had to delay normal military response a couple of minutes to let the 9/11 attacks succeed.

Specifically, the Secretary of Transportation testified to the 9/11 Commission:

“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President … the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?”

All Cheney had to do was delay normal defensive procedures a couple of minutes to let the plane slam into the Pentagon. It was obvious by that time that the 9/11 attacks were not random instances of “pilot error”. Cheney – in charge of counter-terrorism on 9/11 – simply had to watch the plane approach from many miles away and yell at everyone that “the orders still stand” to let the attacks succeed.

By just delaying for a few minutes, Cheney’s long-dreamed Iraq and Afghanistan wars, imperial ambitions as described by the Project for a New American Century, and increase of powers domestically would all be justified.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry - said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

please read the full article...* these are only a few exerpts from it... alot of supporting links within
http://unspy.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/did-dick-cheney-accide...

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"Then all that came afterward, would be rejected by the people."

I would also say that all that came BEFORE would also be rejected by the people for the same reasons. It would be that they were caught red-handed with 911, and they were doing the same crap before 911 as well.
Time is running out though.

You all can argue over 9/11 truth in your FEMA camp cell

Meanwhile, I'm supporting Ron Paul and making my views known to my congress critters.

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IF I did not have obligations today

I would debate each and everyone of you here, RESPECTFULLY, because it is not without RESPECT that I offer my words of dissent for 911 Truth. It is not False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR) that motivates my opposition to 911 Truth. With all the censorship I witness on MSM which to me, the net is MSM also,, we have two major parties, and several forms of media, and it's all MSM or censored, which means 911 Truth is not censored because it is not revealing TRUTH, and what's more imporatnt is it's lack of leading to justice.

Downing Street Memo, the smoking gun, shows an international job with duel citizens and elites with hte UN Agenda 21, which would have NEVER allowed any demolation of the towers for environmental purposes.. and how about those folks at Cantor- Fitzgerald? Why were they targetted? What did they know? 911 Truth wants to focus of Windows of the World and the international staff.... hmmm.

In my experience as an activist.... When I took on the Southern CA Water Quality Control Board, I had two years of documented evidense, and I won, $125K for Manhattan Beach CA to put "Leads to Ocean" on storm drains... the day the award was presented, a little stand propped up near the jetty for pictures of the bay in the back... I was really upset with my win because I, not being an attorney, would have asked for something other than signs... so my attitude getting this award was discust with the system... I felt so played (by my own getting involved) sailing into Santa Monica Bay, for the first time in history, a super tanker. It would have been a slap on the face had I not already felt slapped in the name of WIN.

I see 911 Truth as CONTROLLED OPPOSITION. There is a supertanker out there 911 Truth is keeping your eyes off and that is the UN, the oiliarchy of elites who run it, and their quest for global government in that they really don't give a damn who it hurts, they feel so protected and safe with thie control, which includes star war robotics...

The towers were professionally demolished and that's all I'll accept from 911 Truth as truth. The rest is not getting Downing Street memo out of Conyers file cabinate, eh? Why not?

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I find it interesting

that you seem to be convinced that the truth movement is promoting a world government solution.

Since the truth movement does not espouse any "world government" or "world court" solution to this issue, I really have no idea where you are getting this opinion.

I guess it's your story and you're sticking to it.
Fine.
But it has nothing to do with reality.

On this issue....

...I agree with Granger.

And it really is this simple. Yes, as she spoke we know the towers were demolished with explosives. There's video & countless papers proving it.

But, and again this is also true, we don't know who demolished those towers with explosives & we don't know what this all entailed and we don't know ultimately how it happened.

We don't know because there's no conclusive evidence, only circumstantial evidence - still to this day released. Israel was likely involved, the US Military Industrial Complex was likely involved....but all of those theories don't amount to evidence, until we hear insiders actually discuss what happened.

We haven't seen any picture of who pulled off this operation, we don't have their names. We don't have videos since clearly it was all blacked out. Insider witnesses would have this hard evidence, they would have the tape logs. They didn't have any reason to just pass this along & then not come forward. They're not coming forward because of attacks, you can bet. But when they do come forward, then we'll have something.

The evidence which would confirm the conspiracy, has to come from the commanders who had to have been involved in the attacks & they have to spill it....there's probably over a hundred who have something.

A Truther...

you are.....

Deductive reasoning

Since 911 Truth does not ask for justice, nor it is very specific about anything except "inside job being professionally demolished buildings and government cover-up", I watch US citizens losing their sovreignity for a UN global empire... 911 Truth is leading you to what truth and for what?

I have a problem with truth for nothing.

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So

Do you desire the truth qua truth?

Additionally, if you desire the truth for another reason (hopefully on top of the truth for truths sake), what would that, or those, be?

Give a leadership vision here as opposed to just tearing down, eh?

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Here's a live link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

Each man has a truth, and which one do I choose... Hmmm I guess I'd go for the ear (Horton hears a who)

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Yeah

The eternally drunken bum downtown has his personal VERSION of "truth" but it likely does not align very well with the objective reality that he likely does not seek out in a very dedicated manner.

In other words, some people work very hard to run from the objective truth and therefore create their subjective worldwide in contradistinction to the actual facts of reality.

Does the fact that many individuals struggle to discern reality prove that "truth" (objective fact) does not exist? This appears to be your argument and is quite laughable.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

The concept

"911 truth" means discovering the objective reality of what took place on that day and everything related to it (i.e. finance, set up, cover up, etc.)

How could anyone with a decent mind be against finding the objective reality of what occurred?

Some individuals did shady ass shit. They need to be brought to justice.

Nothing more, nothing less.

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Your concept

Truth is subjective to the perception of the viewer, like Beauty or ugliness...

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truth = objective reality

Do you dispute that there was an objective reality of a collection of factual events that surrounded this event?

By "truth" I mean the objective facts that surrounded that day.

You agree that objective facts are observable and discernible, no?

I always find it suspicious when someone tries to turn "truth" into a subjective concept. I find that trait heavy in nihilists and the philosophy of nihilism heavy in trolls.

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Truth is subjective

Behold the Blind men and the elephant in the living room http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_

As to your OBJECTive Truth... what is your objective? Truth for what? For who? The UN????? The USA? How so???

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Your link is dead

And I am not a part of any organization with an "object" aside from the loose body of free individuals who seek to have peace, individual liberty, personal responsibility, justice, and, yes, TRUTH, as the center pieces of human social existence.

If you and your mind did not exist, the OBJECTIVE (i.e. outside of you) REALITY of what took place surrounding 911 would still have been the objective reality. You can have all the subjective view points you want relating to your understanding of the truth, but your own potentially warped perspective means little to nothing. What does mean something is the FACTS of the matter. These facts, these actual events are the truth and the objective reality.

Those who have an issue with reality and objective truth, usually have some reason to do so (i.e. the objective reality implicates them, or goes against their desires). The guilty or the fools are the only ones I ever see argue against discerning objective reality. In this case, you seem to be jumping on their ship. Is this intentional? Are you fronting or is it folly?

As to my personal objective (separate meaning of the word as compared to the use under "objective reality" FYI), there is none other than seeing peace, liberty, joy, prosperity, truth and justice reign in this land. Hopefully under a revitalized Constitutional United States Republic. 911 put a big fat hurdle in the path towards achieving these ends in for decent people of this country (see USA PATRIOT Act, undeclared wars that continue to this day, etc.) and therefore, those who committed any part of the act have committed a crime against those who lost their lives first and foremost, and every other American, as well as numerous millions abroad due to the outcome. Let the lights shine!

Now, if I may ask, what is your objective?

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Great Post

And as you can see from the post bellow lacking any real response, he is a straw man.

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Live link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

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Kemp,

you give the impression that you think that you are saying something ...

What are you trying to say?

I was responding to Granger's long diatribe against "911 Truth"

Is he addressing the concept of the "true events behind 911" or does he mean some organization called "911 Truth"?

One could reasonably be against an organization called "911 Truth" that may display criticism-worthy behavior, but one could not reasonably be against fully knowing the objective reality surrounding the events of 911 ("911 truth").

It was difficult to ascertain what exactly The Granger was referring to in his post, so that is where my comments are coming from.

It is well know that people are on the rolls who muddy the waters regarding 911 so I try to de-mudify them.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4391.shtml

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Kemp.

you have been around for quite a while, and still don't know that The Granger is a lady?

My comment was more in relation to your "shady ass shit" comment.

Is that supposed to mean something?

I am sorry, but I do not recall ever coming across

The Granger's gender. Means little anyway.

And by shady comment, what do you think it means? Some people did some shade tree activity. Do you dispute this?

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Well good....

But there's a lot more pressing matters....such as taking out the central nervous system, the Federal Reserve & dictatorial laws.

Now 9-11 was clearly shady....Until the actual WITNESSES come forward though, you're just speculating, we wouldn't know how shady it was..

Something's keeping the people who have the goods from spilling all, once they do then the cover up will have to fall away bit by bit...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lieofthecentury.html

JFK

Although 70% or so of the American public if asked would say they were open to or believed that Oswald was not a lone gunman (back and to the left) and the government had some involvement. Yet all the atrocities, such as the escalation of the Viet Nam war, still occurred.

A single event will not persuade the public to reject anything so long as it does not directly affect them and if it does they may rather be quiet well behaved children then vocal activists or patriots.

A pessimist’s point of view.

I believe it was an inside job....

But the constant drumming of 9-11 is an inside job is not going to get anywhere, by just drumming it and handing out circumstantial evidence.

Nine Eleven is still not solved, because the actual witnesses and people who hold the real evidence have been afraid to even come forward. Now that finally may be changing, they may come forward with actual non-doctored videos, photographs, radio communications & other data which could add up to a very convincing picture of 9-11 being an inside job.

But so far, they have been gun shy and have not produced it...So far what you have is physics experts and technicians all agreeing, that "explosives" took down the towers on 9-11 due to nothing else being a possible explanation...and NIST finally conceded to the explosives accusation..

And of course you have those dancing Israelis, NORAD scrambling jets, and other interesting supporting evidence including white vans tested positive for explosives.

But that's all assumptive in nature, and not conclusive evidence of a conspiracy to commit the 9-11 attacks. What the public is waiting to see, is the eye witnesses, the people who are holding back that have the video evidence maybe even taped evidence of some of those agents involved...and most of them being harassed to death by the NSA...still didn't come forward.

My point is it doesn't do any good to constantly talk about it and hammer it out, when it's only assumptions based on circumstantial evidence & you don't have any names of those people involved. It won't help anyone to keep drilling this over & over again, given the more prudent issues.

They are the ones who have the real evidence!
http://revolutionarypolitics.com/?p=1615

I have a much better reason

for people to reject the wars, loss of civil liberties, spying, torture, death of many innocent people etc. and that is unfaithfullness to the constitution. Most Americans accept the constitution and ALL politicians swear to uphold it. Inside jobbers on the other hand represent only a niche part of Americans... and let us for one second assume the inside job theory was true, think how many hours you have to spend persuading people that it was an inside job. I think the inside jobbers themselves spent how many hours investigating etc. and the trurth and hard fact is most Americans simply do not have the time to spend so much time and they are not conditioned to distrust everything the govt. does. So I say even if the inside job theory were true, it would be unpractical to persuade the majority of Americans. On the other hand, it is much more practical (and principled) to inform them about the constitution and how it applies and why laws that take away liberties are unconstitutional. The natural law should take presendence over the positive law in this case.

It is clear

you do not follow the Austrian reason for the economic collapse. Citing the repeal of Glass-Steagal as THE reason for the collapse is quite nonsensical, it had something to do with a whole range of factors, but the main reason is the Fed's lowering of interest rates for a long time. Also Glass-Steagal was repealed in 1999, two years before 911 so it has nothing directly to do with 911. Is this the way you inside jobbers are doing your research? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act
Loss of civil liberties and spying has been going on before 911.

One problem I have with you 911 inside jobbers is that you seem to accept that the Iraq war would be valid if it was not proven to be an inside job! And nothing further can be the truth: it was unconstitutional and very unwise as a non-inside jobber - Ron Paul - has argued.

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