God is dead, so are we.
God is dead and we are all just animals. There is no right or wrong, only what is necessary for me to survive. If I persuade, deceive, or force you into giving up your resources for my well being, then the only standard you have against me is to appeal to the herd and stampede me into submission, punishment, or death.
If the herd has been convinced that you no longer are of any value, then what right do you have to disagree? None. You can scream and struggle, wiggle and squirm, but in the end you are just an animal backed into a corner. Your life and death are meaningless, unless your death frees up some resources for the herd to sustain itself, then your death is preferred. However you'll be forgotten as soon as you are consumed. Well maybe not that soon. Surely there'll be a post consumption conversation about how inadequately you served your final purpose.
Does this not seem fair? What about your rights? They can be found in the same sewer where ran the blood of your murdered God. You no longer have a higher standard to appeal to. The will of the masses is the standard, and today you have been measured against it and you've been found wanting. You eat to much, breath to much, breed to much, work to much, talk to much, care to much, love to much. You must be killed so that the resources you are wasting become available to those who are behaving. Submit yourself therefore to those to whom the herd have ordained, and marvel at least at the brilliance of the propaganda justifying your fate.
Your final breath screams for liberty and freedom, but your voice is lost amongst the monolithic braying of the highest power in a godless existence. Your liberty is a threat to the peaceful predictability of the system, your speech is an unintelligible annoyance distracting from the popular entertaining melodies, the property you claim is better disposed of placating the obedient.
This is the conclusion. We have killed God and in doing so we have slit the throat of our own liberty. Our only hope is in a resurrection.
Claiming that god has ever existed or not existed
is intellectually dishonest. Current data is inadequate to draw a conclusion on the reality of god.
CHA-CHING!
CHA-CHING!
stuff it dumb anarchist
"we have killed God," God is eternal and cant be killed, and when Jesus returns the wicked will be thrown into hell and believers in Christ will go with him in heaven. If anyone buys into this Frederich Nietzche philosophy I feel sorry for you, and I dont understand How you could determine right from wrong? anyone can decide to kill, steal, rape whatever they feel like, that philosophy has been refuted and discredited (might makes right) if you believe that I dont see how you could possibly be a Ron Paul supporter, you ought to be a Cheney supporter or David Rockefeller for President supporter
Right. We killing something
Right. We killed something that doesn't exist. How could I not have seen it before?
Think for yourself, question authority
I used to be a militant Atheist
Madalyn O'Hara from Austin Texas was my hero in the 90's.....
God exists - it is you(contrarians) who prove it.
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There's a difference
There's a difference between religion and faith.
Who?
Where did this god person come from anyways?
Brilliant
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Liberty = Responsibility
Liberty = Responsibility
you're right
this is thought provoking....
it makes me think of all the people who are are turned of by people who can't seem to get over religion. the majority of the world is peeps running around like headless chickens - fighting eachother because each of them thinks that THEY have it right!.....
notice.....if you will...........
that the fighting is usually religious people with nothing left to do since mass let out.
the world's minority is people like me - completely baffled by the way the majority runs things. real good thing religion has done for the world since it was invented way back.
if religion was a car, it'd be like driving an Edsel clear up to today.
I agree completely, religion
I agree completely, religion has been used as a method where people are controlled by being stripped of their individuality, grouped together and told what to think by an elite class who claim to be proxies for God. Religion sucks when forced upon people in this way. But I was talking about God.
The Bible says that true religion is simply caring for widows and orphans and keeping one's self from being polluted by the world. (James 1:27)
I like to refer to it as
I like to refer to it as Orginized Religion, religion itself seems to be a positive thing, but when it becomes orginized, and managed by man, this is when I have a problem with it.
otherwise I think its a great thing for those that partake in it. (except mormons & scientologists, those guy sare F'n crazy)
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
Yeah, you are totally right.
Yeah, you are totally right. It is not like some of the genocides that happen in the 20th century were by atheists. \s
Please see Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao. Please do your due diligence.
PS: I am not saying religion is good.
Individualism - good...collectivism - bad
There's a good argument for Hitler having been religious. Regardless, the atrocities of the above named weren't done in the name of atheism; they were done in the name of collectivism in one form or another. Individualism - good...collectivism - bad
There is a difference between religion and spirituality
There are two groups of people here, maybe three.
The first (of which I count myself) who experiences God in many ways every day, through direct personal experience. Some might call it grace, a miracle, or an intercession, but it happens in my life regularly. It is both touching and humbling. Other posters on this thread have had similar experiences. The trick is to notice, be grateful and give thanks for whatever is received.
The second group are quite religious but get their information from others, or from a book, or other source - but lack direct experience. In my view, these people takee the written word, or others', as their truth, without ever finding out for themselves. Humility and openness is requisite.
The possible third group are those who claim there is no god to believe in. No problem. I have no interest in debating an agnostic or athiest. We have our own beliefs. We can still be friends and talk about baseball, or something else. It it not my job to convert anybody, nor to be converted.
In the end, direct experince is the best teacher. This is zen. You drink a glass of water and find out, for yourself, that is is cold. You do not need a teacher. \
So all this folderol about God is amusing, the way a puppy is amusing. Find the direct experience of God for yourself (or don't). But, from my point of view, grace, miracles and good thing will come you way by a simple acknowledgment and thanks.
Well said.
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Agreed
God is in each of us and it is up to each individual to grow that personal relationship.
People need to be wary when other men who preach that they are speaking God's word get them to do nasty things "in God's name". Clearly that is someone who is committing a grave error in judgment.
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If god is dead, does this
If god is dead, does this mean we can finally live without those christians pesting us about this "god" person?
Think for yourself, question authority
if only!
oh wow......what a day that would be!
:)
If you were to ask
If you were to ask Christians to abandon their standard for truth, it would only be polite to also abandon yours. Then at least we can deceive one another on an equal footing, well then again, maybe not, because if you abandoned your standard, you'd be dead.
BTW, why only Christians? I've seen a lot of other types spouting off about other gods here (as well as several other nebulous entities), shall we shut them up as well?
Truth it neat. It can divide people so completely, and yet it still leave it up to faith in determining which side is right.
Truth and faith are not
Truth and faith are not compatible, never have been, faith = hope, and hope is a good thing, but it is not, and never has been truth, or even close to it.
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato
Faith is essential to truth,
Faith is essential to truth, especially moral truth.
"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1
Faith and truth
are not the same. You can have faith that a God exists, but that doesn't make it true.
If you don't believe it's
If you don't believe it's true then it's not faith.
Also,
those who believe that God doesn't exist technically have their own faith; faith that God doesn't exist. You can point to as many scientific studies that you want, but nothing has definitively disproved or proved the existence of God(although I can think of a few good arguments for His existence). It is an issue of faith for both sides, and we all have the freedom in this country(or are supposed to have) to believe what they choose.
Personally, what annoys me most is one's refusal to admit that their faith is faith. I won't beat you over the head for it, I won't insult or guilt, just please afford me the same respect...and, please, do not pretend that your belief is completely scientific! I won't if you won't.
P.S. This is not to involve myself in a fruitless debate; this is just to give my $0.02. ;)
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i'm interested in hearing
i'm interested in hearing your arguments for the existence of god.
Think for yourself, question authority
No one
should have to give up their beliefs, and people should be allowed to speak their mind. But why exactly would he be dead?
because without God, you
because without God, you are your own standard, and to abandon your standard would be to abandon your self.
Reason would lead one to determine that in order to be God:
He must have created us, not out of a need to be worshiped, but as an overflow of his own complete goodness. In creating us he establishes His authority by right and not by force or coercion. In this authority He is not only better and more powerful than us, but He also must be perfect in every way, the absolute standard for goodness including justice. This is God the Father.
He must, in His goodness, provide a way that we can come to Him, at the same time in His justice not overlook how we all have fallen short of His standard for goodness. He does this by becoming our redeemer. This is God the Son.
He must have created us with the ability to testify to us according to His good standard. He must council with us directly so that His standard is objectively known to us, and not subjectively interpreted by ourselves, priests, tyrants, or bureaucrats. This is God the Spirit.
Prostheletizing
is wasted on me. Why give people a brain to think? Why give people free will to choose? If a god wanted to create a subservient, think only as I do race, why give them these things? Maybe so they can think for themselves and choose their own destiny. Are you afraid to think that it might just be up to us to figure things out on our own? To learn and to grow, albeit with growing pains, and evolve as a species? I just do not believe our human potential can be achieved when tied to rigid dogma.
I think this concept could use some clarification. :)
There are several reasons for this.
In the Christian belief, God wanted to make us "in His image", or basically similar to His characteristics. As God has free will and intelligence, He wished to share those with us as well. Also, since His love is supposed to be perfect love, He loved His creation enough to bless them with a free will and intelligence, even if it meant that we'd reject Him later. He doesn't want us to serve, love, and believe in Him because we have no other options, or because we have no capability to do anything else, just as no one truly wants someone to "love" him or her just because they "have" to, "have no other choice", or just "out of pity". Otherwise, that isn't truly love, that's just programming. God is an individual; He is unique, and He wanted us to be as well. He didn't(and still doesn't) want automatons/robots.
That's basically the gist of why we believe we have free will. This is just a clarification.....I'm not trying to proselytize. :) This is just in case you were curious.
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If what you value most is
If what you value most is our human potential then we ought to not end the fed, instead we should learn from our mistakes and expand it. It proposes wealth be tied not to an objective standard such as gold, but instead to a standard set forth by our own superior human intellect. The same reasoning that leads you to reject God must also ultimately lead you into slavery to an elite class of human intellectuals.
God did give you brains because it IS up to you to figure this out on your own. Only you can deal with God for you.
I'm pro-Fed
for thinking that we mere mortals can find and implement a better monetary system? What does Gods user manual have to say concerning what we should implement? I await your answer with trepidation.