Libertarian party website Nolan chart slams Ron Paul - "Ron Paul shows his true colors"
The Libertarian party just keeps destroying itself. Read the article and then go view the comments on the nolan chart webpage they are good.
Ron Paul's Oscar Winning Performance
The unintentional star of "Bruno" reveals his true bias against gays
Raven West, J.D. | NolanChart.com
Friday, July 10, 2009
It is almost ironic that of all the Republicans who ran in the 2008 presidential primary, Ron Paul would be the one tagged to appear in an outrageous motion picture whose leading character is gay. Bruno, the newest movie from Sacha Baron Cohen of Borat fame, features a 5 minute scene where Bruno, an openly gay character, tries, unsuccessfully to seduce the Congressman.
Away from the pre-arranged media interviews, unrehearsed and unscripted, Ron Paul shows his true colors. He could have taken the opportunity to simply walk out of the room, or laugh at the joke, or even make a humorous comment like "nothing you can do will change my mind about gays in the military", but instead we see the true response by the real man confronted by a gay man. His reaction was of anger and disgust as he's shown fleeing from the scene, exclaiming "This is ended!"
In a much more rehearsed radio interview, Paul is heard chuckling when he says that he would "probably have to apologize to my supporters because I think most are going to (wonder) why in the world didn't I sock this guy in the nose."
Yes, we're all certain that your supporters would agree that violence against a gay man would have been a great response.
Ron Paul, first a Republican, then a Libertarian, then a Republican once again, whose message of fiscal responsibility resounded so loudly that it created a "revolution". Ron Paul, who then endorsed the Constitutional Party candidate, joined forces with the John Birch Society and abandoned a large segment of libertarians when it came to issues of basic human rights.
Ron Paul introduced The Marriage Protection Act of 2007, supports the Defense Of Marriage Act, and thinks the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is just fine the way it is. These are very ultra-conservative views and have little to do with true Libertarian philosophy.
Real Libertarians take individual rights seriously - seriously enough to consistently uphold them against the initiation of the use of force by anyone, especially government, for any reason. This means that government has no business coercively interfering with the lives of peaceful citizens in their private affairs and voluntary relationships.
This is the core of Libertarian principles especially when it comes to an individual's right to marry, and to serve in the military, gay or straight.
Then again, if we were to take this Libertarain policy one step further, government shouldn't be in the business of marriage in the first place. The only reason for legalized co-habitation contracts is to grant individuals certain legal rights of property and care of minor children. In the event the contract is breached, it can be dissolved and the property dispersed through legal action.
Ron Paul proclaims he is a Constitutionalist. If that is to be the case, he would be on the front lines of the battle for "equal protection under the law".
The 14th Amendment states, without any ambiguities, that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
This is plain, simple text. All men and women, Republicans and Democrats, of every race, color or sexual preference, who are citizens of the United States, are to be given equal protection as citizens of the United States of America. Even individuals who chose to love someone of the same sex.
If those who wish to follow the leader of this "revolution", they need to be very clear after seeing this movie clip, exactly which direction he's leading.
The Pledge of Allegiance ends with "Freedom and Justice for ALL". Isn't it about time our elected officials start to live up to those words?
Especially for those who make outrageous movies.





















Not a Libertarian Party Website and Not Owned By David Nolan
Hi The Patriot,
I think the name of the website caused you to assume that it is operated or owned by David Nolan. He does not own or operate it. The "Nolan Chart" website was started in 2007 by Walt Thiessen from Virginia. Thiessen just used the name "Nolan Chart" to get attention because it is a very well known political chart developed by David Nolan. Although David Nolan had a website when he ran for Congress in 2006 in Arizona as a Libertarian, it is no longer up on the web. David Nolan did found the Libertarian Party in 1971 but he did not found the website "Nolan Chart."
The Libertarian Party's website is www.lp.org and has a video on its front page of Ron Paul being interviewed by Judge Napolitano on Freedom Watch.
I don't agree with Mr. West's disapproval of Ron Paul. I think he is really off on a tangent and wrong. I started the Ron Paul Meetup Group in Seoul, Korea and donated the maximum to Ron Paul's campaign. I am also a proud Life Member of the Libertarian Party. Please don't confuse the LP www.lp.org with other people's websites. For example, the "Daily Paul", is not owned by Ron Paul and there are many articles posted on the "Daily Paul", that Dr. Paul would not agree with. To say that Mr. West's article on the "Nolan Chart" is on the Libertarian Party website is as incorrect as saying some article on the "Daily Paul" is on Ron Paul's website.
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I actually agree... I think
I actually agree... I think Dr. Paul probably could have handled that situation better... I don't blame him for being uncomfortable or even angry/shocked/storming out of the room (although it would have been better if he just passed it off as insignificant and played cool/gave some sort of witty remark and then left casually). I guess I really just disagree with the use of the word queer... not because I care or think it's wrong to use, but there are a lot of people who do think it's inappropriate, and the last thing Ron Paul needs is any "evidence" to strengthen the silly argument that he's racist/prejudice.
Really, he had every right to be upset... it's fine to live your life the way you want, just don't impose your lifestyle on others... this was a case where clearly, Cohen/Bruno was imposing his unwanted lifestyle on Dr. Paul... but again, it probably would have been better to not use the term queer... it almost sounded like, from the way he phrased it, that he was leaving because the guy was queer, and not because he took off his pants (though obviously that was the main reason).
Somehow though, I get the feeling that Ron Paul doesn't realize that the term queer is deemed taboo in modern society (to some it's apparently akin to fag, or the n-word).
Nothing wrong with "queer"
He's a link to a press release from GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, promoting their latest outreach program called "Queer Lounge"
http://www.glaad.org/Page.aspx?pid=496
The term "queer" is not considered derogatory by the gay and lesbian community. They use it to describe themselves all the time.
At my high school over a decade ago
The gay student organization was called "Queer and Straight Alliance". In addition we have several televisions shows with titles like "Queer as Folk" and "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy".
Things to consider about this ambush interview.
1. Ron took time from his busy schedule to do this interview.
2. His message is very serious to him and these people could careless.
3. Watch the incredible patients Paul has as Cohen drops inappropriate innuendo after innuendo.
4. He only gets really upset after Cohen drops his pants then BLOCKS THE DOOR to the exit, in which Paul has to yell at him to get out of the way. There is no telling for a politician what kind of set up this is or danger Paul could have been in where someone is preventing him from leaving.
5. Finally he is obvious flustered and upset that he has been duped into providing this guy with footage.
6. In subsequent interviews he didn't seem all that upset about it.
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oh... never mind then
oh... never mind then
You are overreacting...
Anyone can post on NolanChart, it takes a few minutes to sign up, and you can begin posting immediately. In fact most of the Ron Paul posts you'll find on there are VERY positive. I posted on there frequently during the primaries and almost universally got positive responses... relax...
What a queer article
Obviously not a Libertarian, telling people how to think, what to think, etc, etc.
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You said it!
Most of the comments make more sense than the article.
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right on!
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Gay rights do not license unwanted sexual advances.
If such an advance were made upon a woman, a reasonable defense would be a sharp slap across the perp's face. Dr. Paul not slugging the guy was an exercise in restraint, a reflection of his decency, since a punch to the nose, in my view, would have been an appropriate act of self defense.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
Sacha Triggers Fight Or Flight Response
when he dropped his pants and Sexually Harassed Ron Paul. Then as Ron tries to escape Sacha Exploits and Intensifies that response by Blocking Ron's escape. This raises it to the level of Sexual Assault. When our fight or flight response is activated, the fight or flight system bypasses our rational mind. A person cannot be held accountable for his actions and/or words while under the effects of this fight or flight response. Sacha was responsible for what Ron said then, but Ron might have resisted later saying “my supporters are gonna figure out, why in the world I didn’t sock this guy in the nose”. He should not be ashamed to his supporters for his Flight response. In stating this He may have been in error. Though he may very well have been justified, in physically persuasive force in his attempt to escape, he chose Flight in an induced irrational moment. Ron's peaceful actions in this moment, gives confidence to the people that he will act appropriately in a peaceful manner regarding foreign policy in difficult times, and reserve the "punch in the nose" as a last resort. The question arises whether Ron should at the least make a report and see what law enforcement recommends and let them state for the record what should be done. We have evidence on video of it even where Sacha blocks Ron's escape. Many rape victims choose not to report these types of crimes because they feel that they deserved it or that it didn't really hurt them all that much. But the perpetrators go on to victimize other people, and they suffer severe emotional pain and suffering.
An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.
It is Not a Libertarian Party Website
The Nolan Chart is not a Libertarian Party website. It posts many different articles by many different people who label themselves different ways. Just because Mr. West calls himself a libertarian doesn't make him one as we all well know. He is not an official of the Libertarian Party, as far as I know, and does not speak for the Libertarian Party. The Libertarian Party website is www.lp.org and has a video of an interview with Ron Paul by Judge Napolitano from Freedom Watch on the front page.
The site is owned by David
The site is owned by David Nolan FOUNDER of the Libertarian party.
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It is Not Owned By David Nolan
Hi The Patriot,
I think the name of the website caused you to assume that it is operated or owned by David Nolan. He does not own or operate it. The "Nolan Chart" website was started in 2007 by Walt Thiessen from Virginia. Thiessen just used the name "Nolan Chart" to get attention because it is a very well known political chart developed by David Nolan. Although David Nolan had a website when he ran for Congress in 2006 in Arizona as a Libertarian, it is no longer up on the web. David Nolan did found the Libertarian Party in 1971 but he did not found the website "Nolan Chart." I don't agree with Mr. West's disapproval of Ron Paul. I think he is really off on a tangent and wrong. I started the Ron Paul Meetup Group in Seoul, Korea and donated the maximum to Ron Paul's campaign. I am also a proud Life Member of the Libertarian Party. Please don't confuse the LP www.lp.org with other people's websites. For example, the "Daily Paul", is not owned by Ron Paul and there are many articles posted on the "Daily Paul", that Dr. Paul would not agree with. To say that Mr. West's article on the "Nolan Chart" is on the Libertarian Party website is as incorrect as saying some article on the "Daily Paul" is on Ron Paul's website.
Lets work for liberty and not fight each other.
i've been blasting rinos and fake conservatives 24/7/365
i've been blasting rinos and fake conservatives 24/7/365
but i've been quietly reinforcing in all my conversations with people, far and wide, that i'm a liberty lover, and perhaps libertarian leaning.
I'll then go on to explain that I don't support the Libertarian Party, that there's a difference between liberty loving ron paul supporters, and big L libertarians. A vast difference. We welcome them, but they don't welcome us.
i'll take that stand any time, place, here and now.
The Libertarian Party can kiss my ass, and if they disappeared tomorrow, nothing of value would be lost.
I like your post.
I attend both Republican and Libertarian party meetings, but I fall somewhere in the middle, a liberty loving Ron Paul Republican.
You should see an article Lew Rockwell posted the other day about a particular Republican who had made it his mission to distance Ron Paul out of the GOP. I don't buy into the GOP or the big L libertarian stuff.
But at least here in Chico,CA there are lots of little L libertarian Ron Paul Republicans.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/029836.html
Read the article, then read the rebuttal. It's great.
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What if this bruna is a
What if this bruna is a female stripper...RP reacted the same way. Would he write this same BS?
Nothing but divide and conquer.
esactly what I was going to say.
That piece is just jealous because RP did better than the last 3 libertarian candidates combined.
How about equal protection
How about equal protection from being thrown to the wolves?
Defimation of character
yes ???
Would they have preferred he blow the guy?
WTF?? If he had been offered crack and called the guy a "junkie", would the Libertarian party call him biased against drug users and show his "true colors" on the war on drugs?? Awful logic.
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I don't care how libertarian
I don't care how libertarian correct, Nolan Chart correct, Raychel Maddow correct it is, if some little creep pulls down his pants in an attempted creepy sexual advance, one that would be disgusting to most all but the most perverted out there, I believe calling the person a queer to be a mild response.
Sorry, but for those who disagree, put yourselves in the victim's shoes the next time someone you just met pulls his pants down in front of you in an effort to invite sex. (That includes both sexes.) I wonder how libertarian correct you will be.
"Even individuals who chose to love someone of the same sex."
This article is warped. Since when does this Bruno nonsense suddenly become "choosing to love someone of the same sex?" I actually think this Bruno deal should be considered a sexual crime.
BTW. This is the second time I have read some disgusting article on Nolan Chart in regard to Ron Paul.
pretty funny. your big L Libertarian
party presidential candidate Bob Barr was the author of the defense of marriage act. it is mere semantics to attack ron paul over a film. i am bi, and totally not offended. get over it.
Don't blame this moron who wrote this
Blame Jesse Benton for having him in this situation in the first place.
I've thought about making a Fire Jesse Burton Facebook group, but I'm seriously more ticked off about this incident the more I hear of it
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I watched the clip...
So what if he was flustered and left the interview quickly? I sure as shit wouldn't hang around if some guy was doing that.
When it comes to RP's stance on Gay Rights, he has consistently said that the only kind of rights he believes in are individual rights.
Gay marriage? No problem get the government out of the business of giving marriage licences.
Don't ask don't tell? All I've ever heard him say on the subject is that all soldiers should be treated equally-- if their behavior is disruptive give them the boot regardless of sexual orientation.
Etc, Etc...
My favorite part of the article was the bit about the "The Pledge of Allegiance." What sort of fuckwad libertarian upholds the Pledge of Alleigance (to the government) as something good?
what a load of garbage that was
This article is long on "rights" and short on responsibility; which is basically our whole problem as a country. Everybody wants their rights but they won't accept responsibility for themselves. Pathetic, this lady sounds less liberty minded and more collectivist to me.
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I'm sure Justin Raimondo, Rachel Maddow and ...
the late Kurt Snyder would prefer Ron Paul to a mass-murdering sadistic Zionist psychopath such as Bill Clinton (Serbia), George Bush (Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan) or Barack Obama (ditto).
The libertarians were co-opted as a movement long ago. They should give it up and the sincere ones should help form a Liberty Party.
Perfect....you nailed it every way!
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What does
being gay, marriage rights,gays in the military, or any of that stuff have to do with anyone of any sex or sexual orientation have to do with anyone of any sex or sexual orientation pulling down thier pants and putting the moves on you in that situation? And if you want to get technical, when i was a kid and RP is old enough to be my father. Queer meant wierd or strange. Not gay. So calling him queer was not at all out of line. Under either meaning. Some stranger pulls his pants down around me I'd high tail it out of there and have some choice words too.
The FED has hired a PR firm....... we're gonna see LOTS of stuff
that SEEMS unrelated to HR 1207 and Ron Paul in coming weeks / months. What it shows is the Ron Paul is the hero we all know him to be. He has lifted the rock and exposed the FED - spawn of the Devil - for what it is and they are ANGRY. Hang on guys..... these evil bast&^%s are NOT going to go down without a really dirty fight.
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And I wouldn't put it pass
And I wouldn't put it pass them to also hire trolls.
Anyone notice how many newbies we have lately? I've noticed that some have been subtly posting misinformation.