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Are the Neo-cons trying to outflank the Libertarian Republican movement?


Free-Market Analysis: We return to this theme again today because it is a story that has truly national significance. In the past we have noted that the Republican party is pretty well split between Libertarian Republicans and Conservative Republicans. The Libertarian Republicans did not in fact have a voice until Ron Paul (R-Tex) emerged as a powerful candidate in the 2008 elections. The trouble with the establishment Republican party is that the wing of the party that Ron Paul represents is strong and getting stronger. It appeals actively to conservative Democrats and would actually be a fairly strong base around which to coalesce.

The problem, then, becomes how to take back control of the Republican party - an admittedly damaged brand - without granting Ron Paul the control that he and his supporters wish to take. The conclusion of the leadership wing of the Republican party is apparently that they need to launch new faces and rebrand the party. Sarah Palin fits both needs. She is a relatively fresh face on the Republican scene (a woman, too) - and just to make sure that the rebranding is complete, she is likely to help launch a new party.

There are others as well. Another relatively fresh face on the national scene is Joe Scarborough, who has a new book out and a new radio show with Mika Brzezinski, the daughter of one of the founders of the Trilateral Commission and Secretary of State for Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Scarborough long ago took to branding himself a conservative rather than a Republican. Limbaugh refers to himself regularly as a Conservative, as do many other important spokespeople for the party. The shift in nomenclature began just as soon as Barack Obama won the election, literally the same day it seemed.

The second step of outflanking the Libertarian Republican movement - as we have said - is to create a new party, the Conservative Party. Since third parties are almost impossible to win with in America, the chances are good that this party shall exist in name only or shall be folded back into the larger Republican party at some point. It is actually a flanking effort intended to ensure that the Libertarian wing of the Republican party does not surge forward and become a fully fledged mainstream effort.

Why is all this so important? Because in a sense there are probably more differences between various Republican groups than between Republicans and Democrats. What are the differences between Conservative Republicans and Libertarian Republicans? Conservative Republicans are not strongly against the current central banking economy and are favorably disposed to project America's militarism abroad and to the Homeland Security apparatus domestically. Libertarian Republicans would like to shrink government and its related appurtenances including the Federal Reserve.

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The way to overcome

Bush and the Neo-Cons is to shine a light on them. Almost all Republicans have adopted the term conservative and then promote whatever their agenda is.
Take them on and point out how Bush and the Neo-Cons destroyed the Republican Party. Don't give them cover by preaching party loyalty. They never cared about party loyalty. Be loyal to the folks back home, not party.
Don't carry the failures of the Bush Administration, shed those people. Admit the mistakes the party made by removing the failures. The people will respond to that. Do this and the party will be worth supporting. It will deserve support by giving the Bush family and the Neo-Cons the swift kick they deserve.
Until the party does this it will remain irrelevant.

John B~ great advice!

* thats my take on the situation! I am not going to blend or bend to the neo con republicans!! Don't forget the antiwar left and right ...they are our allies in foreign policy!

"I truly wish that real life would no longer surpass the worst excesses of my nightmarish imaginings... Arthur Silber **

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd


I'm a Ron Paul Republican and damn proud of it!

Lets not beat around the Bush, Pun Intended.

Neo-Cons are pro war!

Ron Paul Republicans are anti-war !

70% of Americans want to end these wars as soon as possible,,,,that's why they voted in Democrats in congress in 2006 and supported Obama in 2008.

Obama has let them down by bombing Pakistan, and sending more troops to Afghanistan.

The 70% are ready for Ron Paul if "We" help him.


No Compromise

I hate the Neo-Cons and I can never compromise with them. And it's not just on War that makes it impossible for me to compromise with establishment Republicans. I don't want anything to do with their social agenda. I won't vote for any Repulican who doesn't favor drug legalization and prossecution of Bush war crimes.

Thank you!!!

* I will never compromise on foreign policy!!! Strongly non interventionist!!
I am an Anti-neocon!!! Neo-cons are found in both Dems and Republicans!
I wish more here would post on foreign policy and reaching out to the anti war communities!!
"I truly wish that real life would no longer surpass the worst excesses of my nightmarish imaginings... Arthur Silber **

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Neo con Republican vs. Libertarian Republican

** I want to differentiate myself from the neo cons and strengthen our position! Hey, they are looking being labeled as "kooky" these days. I say let them carry the label for a bit ( karma is a bitch! ) Move forward with our gained positive credibility and HR 1207!!!

"I truly wish that real life would no longer surpass the worst excesses of my nightmarish imaginings... Arthur Silber **

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Terms and definitions

I always looked at Scarborough as independent and very critical of both parties. I think that many true conservatives are truly angry at the hostile take over by the Neo Cons and they themselves wish to distance themselves from the Republican Party and instead use the term conservative, libertarian conservative, Goldwater conservative, or paleo conservative and so on. Plus many do not wish to admit that they were duped by a bunch of ex liberals! To say you are a republican in today's political climate can be counterintuitive especially if you did not support the majority of the policies of Rove and Bush. So maybe it is not that the GOP is distancing itself from the libertarians, it just might be vice versa. I can site my own personal case in this matter as well as a few others I know. The libertarian minded candidates seem to be running under the GOP (ie Schiff, Paul and so forth) because it already has a foundation and there is no need to worry about ballot access or other issues if they ran as 3rd party candidates. However I hear and see more and more proud GOPers going from Republican to a random conservative term as their political ideology title..
I use to call myself a Republican first and a conservative second since for a long time the terms were generally accepted as almost synonymous, however I have chosen to distance my own branding to Goldwater Conservative, Paul Conservative, Jeffersonian Democrat (and I use that term only when I know the other person knows what that even is...not to sound elitist but the general public is unaware of our constitution and we can all agree about that) or the other 100 plus prefaces there are to the conservative moniker.
That being said it is a good idea to keep track of what the Neo Cons are doing and check where the money is flowing to see how they are morphing and who emerges as their new figurehead. Great read and thanks for your take one this.



thats what they want us to do because it is a 2-party system.

its like 3 football times on a field with 2 endzones.

don't be stupid.


I take some issue with the terms used in this article.

Ron Paul describes himself as "paleo-conservative".
Not Libertarian.
Paleo-conservatives are generally quite libertarian-leaning, but differ on a variety of matters, just like RP differs from some of the LP positions.

And some of these people describing themselves as "conservatives" are actually NEO-conservatives, who specifically don't declare the "neo" part, because they are infiltrators and imposters.

However, I do agree with the general tone of the article, where the neo-cons are attempting to devise tactics to suppress the RP-followers from gaining any more ground.

The GAME IS ON....

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Since Americans are angry at BOTH parties

Independent registration has GOP beat in my county... it appears the "almost wons" are now preparing to reap the votes by offering us a new line of crap as Indy's.

MSM candidates should not be funded by we the people. Why let corporations off the $$$$ hook after centurirs of being duped by them?