What do you think will happen to the gold price in the coming years ?
Submitted by m72mc on Thu, 07/16/2009 - 11:52
Will it be manipulated ?
Will it go up ?
What are your thoughts ?
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For decades there has been
For decades there has been an attempt to demonetize gold and the effects that gold has on the economy, it has, to a very large degree, been an utter failure. While there are those who believe that gold is or has been manipulated, the fact is that all attempts to manipulate it, demonetize it and control its influence on economic markets have been a failure. That fact is clear when viewing the components of those attempts, everything from the attempt in 1971 when Nixon cut the tie between gold and the dollar, along with all other fiat currencies around the world, and the earlier attempts to create what was called "paper gold" through the IMF in 1969 with the issue of Special Drawing Rights...none have succeeded in manipulating it to a degree that could be considered functional.
The current "Fiat Price" of gold is of no real consequence, except that it reflects the depreciated value of the fiat dollar. It must be remembered that there are several factors involved in the "Fiat Price" of gold and any other commodity, for that matter, and those are fear, anticipation of inflation and of course, the actual reflection of fiat depreciation. At the moment, we have no seen the same price levels per ounce of gold as we did in the late 70s and early 80s, yes, we have seen the same "Fiat Face Value Price", but since the currency has been depreciated from that point we have yet to see the same degree of reflection proportionally speaking to those levels. In other words, in order for there to be an adjusted for that depreciation or, as we have come to call it: inflation.
Thus, as the depreciation of the currency continues toward a negative percentage, gold will continue to reflect all the factors involved in the "Fiat Price" level, including that of inflation [currency depreciation]. I would be inclined to say that the "Fiat Price" will continue to roller-coaster, but the trend should be higher, much higher.
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Exactly,
As we witness fiat inflation the price of gold as well as the price of everything else will rise.
Patience -
Just waiting for the iminent bank holiday so my gold and silver dollars (Title 31 U.S.C. section 5112) will spike.
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The price of gold
will have a lot to do with the fate of the US dollar. The current condition of our dollar is that it is falling out of favor as a reserve currency around the world at the same time that our government is trying to peddle $2trillion of debt. If Obama has his way, the Fed will buy any Treasury offerings that nobody else in the world will buy. How will our currency survive the creation of dollars to infinity? It won't. Gold is the currency against which all other currencies are measured.
Maybe I am rationalizing
because I had a chance to buy gold when it was cheap and I didn't.
I'm sure not trying to encourage anyone to sell, not at all. Please don't take it that way. I have no idea what the future holds, I wish I did.
I am just guessing and making casual conversation, nothing more.
The banter is good. I don't
The banter is good. I don't know what it is going to do. I hope I am safe. I bought a pile of it today betting it's a 5 year investment. With what we are doing, poking sticks at the fed. reserve bear, I don't want to wake up someday and see my worthless pieces of paper worth even less!
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I want those Federal Reserve Notes to be worthless
They deserve to be and we can never defeat them if we keep using their product. I hope the federal reserve note becomes 100% worthless paper. I fear it will be replaced with an even worse concoction.
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...can one assume you are talking a worthless position ?
I don´t know...I´m leaning towards it will rise..
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So what does it mean for Federal Reserve Notes to be worthless?
If they become worthless, then they won't buy anything, right!
Let us not forget that our checking and savings accounts then would also be worthless, because the only things we can get from our banks in exchange for our checking and saving account balances are Federal Reserve Notes. And do you really think that people will accept your check for payment if the Federal Reserve Notes are worthless?
So if currency, checking accounts and savings accounts make up the nations money supply, suddenly we would have no money to spend. Would that drive up prices to have no functioning money? How would you even buy food?
So wanting Federal Reserve Notes to be worthless is a death wish.
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I think it is already in the
I think it is already in the cards to be replaced with something else. All these people on fixed incomes are going to get screwed. How are we going to fight this if they do a switcheroo on us? ( I know buy gold and silver) I'm doing my part now, I don't leave money in the bank. As soon as I build up a little cash I pull it out. No need to perpetuate the fraud!
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I respectfully disagree
I think it's about supply and demand. Right now the demand is high and people are willing to pay high dollars for gold. When people run out of money to buy it, or the supply increases, or people just become disinterested in it, it will go down.
It's the people buying that is driving the price up.
Do you ever wonder why these people that have the gold, if they really believed it was worth more than dollars, would sell it? Think about it.
Of course, I could be wrong. Personally, I think we are in for a major food shortage. That scares me, more than anything else. What if they do to food what they do with gasoline? The only thing that scares me more than being homeless, is being hungry. I hope I'm wrong.
Hyperinflation by 2012. I
Hyperinflation by 2012. I belive it will go higher. If it shoots to the moon, that is fine with me.
The monetary base and money growth.
So last September the FED went into their own panic and doubled the monetary base. The monetary base is mostly bank reserves, i.e., the checking accounts member banks have with the FED. The FED did this by creating checking accounts on its books (a FED liability) and loaning the newly created checking account balances to member banks, which checking account balances the member banks can then use to create new checking accounts on their own books and loan them to customers.
The FED could have quadrupled the monetary base or even increased it by ten times and the effect would have been the same, because the banks had plenty of reserves after the FED doubled them and more would have been superfluous. This was a one shot deal to bail out the deteriorating liquidity of banks. If they tried to double the monetary base again, it would likely have very little effect; the old pushing on a string cliche.
The result of doubling the monetary base was an increase in the rate of growth of M2 money supply from the 6% is was running last August, up to almost 10%, year on year. For the past few months the rate of growth year on year has bounced around 9% +, but not exceeded 10%. In other words the rate of growth pushed up, but leveled off.
But here is the kicker. Last September was the first month when M2 money supply growth kicked up because it was being compared to 12 months earlier where M2 had not been pushed up with extraordinary measures. But this September, the current M2 will be compared to the kicked up M2 of a year ago; this October, the current M2 will be compared to the kicked up M2 of a year ago, etc. What this means is the year on year rate of growth will plunge, at first probably back to the 6% rate of growth that was happening before the panic began, and probably even plunge more with the passage of each month (maybe down to even 2%). Don't forget we are talking about the inflation rate, not the absolute amount of new money added.
So all of a sudden, instead of looking at a rate of increase of M2 that is running at 10%, we will be looking at a rate of increase of M2 that is 6%, or maybe even down to 2%. Is this the rate of increase in money supply that you think will produce hyperinflation of prices?
The reason that the increase in money supply has not translated into run away prices is because the velocity of money movement decreased. Two of the factors that should have caused prices to increase, more money supply and less goods produced, were offset by decrease in velocity of money movement; fear caused people to hold on to money and slow down purchases.
I think the fear will increase as these "economists" realize that the rate of growth in money supply is decreasing, not increasing, and a lousy Christmas for retailers should put to icing on the cake.
Looks to me like deflation or disinflation might just overwhelm the banks this time and put an end to bubble after bubble and an end to this fraudulent banking system.
Of course this is a wait and see deal, but watch the M1 and M2 money supply data published by the FED and the year on year rate of growth. The FED does not publish M3 but it is available at this web site:
http://www.nowandfutures.com/key_stats.html
The rate of increase (rate of inflation) of M3 has been falling like a brick.
I think that unless the Federal Government starts to print up its own fiat (sort of like California now issuing IOU's) I don't think they can cause much re-inflation of prices. I think the handwriting is on the wall for the collapse of the Federal Government and their evil spawn, the FED.
Why in the world do you think the sales of ammunition and guns are so very, very strong?
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The price of futures will rise
Gold backwardsation is already reality. The Gold futures will rise.
It will stay the same
The dollar will fluctuate, but gold will stay the same.
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I think it will go up in
I think it will go up in price but keep the same Value. IMissLiberty is right.
Gold is not an investment, it is a store of Value. But when your fiat is collapsing it is worth it's weight in, you know, Gold!
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Wild swing!
I think it will get up to around $1,700 per ounce by next summer in anticipation of run away inflation, and then will collapse over the following three to four years back down to under $250 per ounce as deflation overwhelms the banking system, and all the people who buy the hyperinflation argument discover their error.
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You can't charge people what they don't have
I don't know about inflation, the housing market has to big an inventory, people are not driving as much or flying (a gas glut), what's going up except interest rates (demand for cash) ? Gold prices will crack like it did before. Cash is king. The rich will get richer and the poor will have more children.
I agree with Richard. The
I agree with Richard. The dollar will be dear and gold will go down. When it goes down, maybe to $600, I will buy, buy, buy.
What do you think will happen with the price of gold?
It will go up ...
and it will go down.
Buy low, sell high, and good luck on doing so at the right times!
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Gold is a commodity
Look at a 30 year chart if you don't believe me. Don't fall for, "It's different this time." Only fools believe history doesn't repeat itself. Buy low sell high !
30 Year Gold Chart: http://goldprice.org/30-year-gold-price-history.html
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I'd like to see a 100 year,
I'd like to see a 100 year, 200 year, 1000 year and 2000 year chart. Anyone ever see one of these?
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No fiat system has lasted long enough for a chart like that
I'm trying to find out more, but it looks like convincing people gold is valuable was step 1 in the banking scam. You'll know when I learn more.
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If someone were to produce a 1000 year chart,
do you think it would mean anything to you?