Comment: Magna Carta versions: 1215 vs 1297. Differences abound! Why?

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Magna Carta versions: 1215 vs 1297. Differences abound! Why?

Most USA public school books cite the Magna Carta, 1215 version. When students are asked for a date...

  • When was the Magna Carta signed? 1215.

As if there were only one version & one date.

Huge differences in translations, signatures, dates, terms & conditions.

To wit: Magna Carta versions

  • 1215 (original was Latin; only in force a few months; see block quote below)

    Preamble: John, by the grace of God, king of England, lord of Ireland, duke of Normandy and Aquitaine, and count of Anjou, to

    35. Let there be one measure of wine throughout our whole realm; and one measure of ale; and one measure of corn, to wit, "the London quarter"; and one width of cloth (whether dyed, or russet, or "halberget"), to wit, two ells within the selvedges; of weights also let it be as of measures.

  • 1216 Revisions. War continues. King dies. Succeeded by his 9-year old son, Henry III
  • 1217 Revisions.
  • 1225 Revisions.
  • ...
  • 1297 Magna Carta Translation [New Kings, realms, & a "Preamble."]

    [Preamble] Edward by the grace of God King of England, lord of Ireland and duke of Aquitaine sends greetings to all to whom the present letters come. We have inspected the great charter of the lord Henry, late King of England, our father, concerning the liberties of England in these words:

    Henry by the grace of God King of England, lord of Ireland, duke of Normandy and Aquitaine and count of Anjou sends greetings

    [25] [was #35 in 1215 version] There is to be a single measure for wine throughout our realm, and a single measure for ale, and a single measure for Corn, that is to say the London quarter, and a single breadth for dyed cloth, russets, and haberjects, that is to say two yards within the lists. And it shall be the same for weights as for measures.
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/magna_ca...

------------ Magna Carta 1215 vs 1297 ------------
Magna Carta 1215 Version & subsequent similar versions, 1216, 1217 & 1225.

Magna Carta, 1215 - None above the law; not even the King! This revered document had a lot to say about who pays debt. Original in Latin. Many revisions & versions.

1215 vs 1297 versions both state who pays & obeys whom.

  • Numbered terms & conditions=: 63 vs 37
  • Debt references: 22 (# 9, 10, 11, 26 & 27) vs 18 (#8 & 18)

Nearly all under debt? Magna Carta insists who must be paid. Who will decide grievances. Who will enforce.

The 1215 Magna Carta (The Great Charter) Text & brief comment on versions translated from original Latin.
http://www.constitution.org/eng/magnacar.htm
Comment at the bottom of Magna Carta 1215 versio translation:

This is but one of three different translations I found of the Magna Carta; it was originally done in Latin, probably by the Archbishop, Stephen Langton. It was in force for only a few months, when it was violated by the king. Just over a year later, with no resolution to the war, the king died, being succeeded by his 9-year old son, Henry III. The Charter (Carta) was reissued again, with some revisions, in 1216, 1217 and 1225. As near as I can tell, the version presented here is the one that preceded all of the others; nearly all of it's provisions were soon superseded by other laws, and none of it is effective today.

The two other versions I found each professed to be the original, as well. The basic intent of each is the same.

Gerald Murphy (The Cleveland Free-Net - aa300)

After thoughts
I admire the Magna Carta & the Constitution & their versions; however, they are a lot about assigning obligations to Constitutors (those to be paid & obeyed). Little note nor long remembered how a Supreme Law to the Land is so oft superseded by those that follow. I dearly respect the Declaration of Independence & the Bill of Rights.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul