Comment: I think we'll have to agree

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I think we'll have to agree

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, but ill answer your post point by point:

    First thing I'll address: It could very easily be argued in court that the IRS is meddling in our estates by bonding the social security # to your "legal person" without your written consent to administer that estate.

Not easily argued at all!! Why are you in court arguing this? as a defendant? good luck! As a plaintiff? what is the cause of action?

    The parents and gov't/corp.US came together and created a new legal entity (name of birth certificate), which is the Executor. Since we are children and can't manage our own affairs yet, our parents (the grantor's) gifted our portion of the commonwealth to the trust of the corporation known as the UNITED STATES. The parents are the grantor/beneficiary at the same time. Whoever puts the value in, is who the benefits are owed to.

Sounds like you may have a claim against your parents for fraud at best.

    Now that you are of legal age, the parents step aside and the living you is now able to legally contract, so now we switch from Trust Law to Corporate Law, and now you (the living man) become the beneficiary/shareholder of the "legal fiction" corporate "name". The shareholder can appoint a director to set policy for the employees (gov't/trustees) to follow to produce the best return possible for the shareholders/beneficiaries.

as the sole shareholder/beneficiary you are also the CEO (or equivalent) of the CORPORATE you! Guess what? As such, you are an employee...remember Title 26, 3401

(c) Employee
For purposes of this chapter, the term “employee” includes an officer, employee, or elected official of the United States, a State, or any political subdivision thereof, or the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of any one or more of the foregoing. The term “employee” also includes an officer of a corporation.

AND dont forget:

USC Title 26, 7701 for the meaning of including:

(c) Includes and including
The terms “includes” and “including” when used in a definition contained in this title shall not be deemed to exclude other things otherwise within the meaning of the term defined.

    Now we have a different relationship with gov't/corp.US and they work for us, not the other way around.

Only in the Republic as Citizens of the State, NOT as "citizens of the United States". "citizens of the United States" are SUBJECTS of the UNITED STATES, like enlisted men! YOURE not separating the two available positions. a sovereign State Citizen CANNOT be a shareholder/beneficiary of a UNITED STATES TRUST established under their name and credit worthiness, the two are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE!

    Remember: You are an integral part of the corporate relationship; without you the living man, there can be no corporation/legal person. The gov't/corp.US couldn't/can't do business with the living man, so they had to create you an "agent in commerce" aka "legal person" to deal with.

EXACTLY!!! THIS is 100% correct, you MUST be an accomplice and ABANDON your sovereignty in order to become the signer/agent for your PERSON!

    When you go to court, everyone there is an "agent" of that "legal person"; the judge and prosecutor are the employees/trustees; you and I the living are the shareholders/beneficiaries and directors if you choose yourself to be the director.

Again, the "court" youre referring to is not an ARTICLE III constitutional court, instead it is an administrative court for UNITED STATES PERSONS and the Constitution does NOT apply

    The birth certificate is the only document we have that proves the gov't/corp.US has an obligation to you and I, the living person. Their obligation is to collect taxes from their employees and pay those taxes to you and I as money owed to us for their use of our natural resources/land, etc. Remember, they are the foreigners, we are the inhabitants/natives, beneficiaries of the land our creator granted to us.

you are mixing truth and fiction.
YOU are the foreigner as a "resident" in one of the States of the Union, Citizens of States are not "residents". Resident means temporary..think hospital residency, its short term. citizens of the United States are RESIDENTS in the States because they are FEDERAL PERSONS that are FOREIGN to the States.

    But they haven't been doing that; instead they are extorting money out of us to pay us money they owe US. If the gov't owes the people, how can they make the people pay them instead? Gov't can't function without you and I, we are the backbone; we are the investors; they are the employees.

They arent extorting ANY "money" out of us. They are extorting Federal Reserve notes that belong to them. They are asking for their cut for you participating in the false world of commerce, where you can buy a house and car while making 7.25 per hour because youre paying in to the DEMOCRACY pool to expand their military, wellfare, etc.

    So we have a SS Card and Birth Certificate in our possession, but that doesn't automatically mean that everything that "agent in commerce" does is a function of gov't/corp.US; this is a presumption on their behalf, and it is just not true.

YES IT DOES!!! that is exactly what it does...they have given a few statutory exemptions for their officers and agents, but for the most part anytime a Human works as a "PERSON" by using their SS number to rack up a better debt to income ratio; and to collect their future social security benefits, they are acting as an AGENT for the U.S. Inc.

    Yes, the CEO/Beneficiaries of the corporation are liable for income taxes, but only if he/she is/was performing a function of gov't/corp.US at the time the money was made they claim you owe taxes on.

TRUE!!! BUT when you tie your federal number into your work, it becomes a function of your public office. Build a shed for your neighbor for cash, and U.S. Inc may ask for a gift on your 1040, but they cant demand it.

    Now, they can't force me the living man into an employment contract with them, but we can sit down and come to an agreement that includes my salary; benefits; hours; and rules and regulations (statutes) I have to follow if I do take the job.

TRUE!!! and they havent, you agreed to their terms by accepting their offer and using their number. An application is asking for something, you fill out applications as the PERSON.