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the last sentence answers your question.

I have had the same debates with my father. If all else fails, "well...we have to get Obama out." Last time we got together, he saw a Ron Paul sticker on my cooker and said "too bad he won't win" (which is just being a smartass), I ignored him. I've made the decision not to talk about it anymore because you can not make people see what they don't want to see, you just can't. He uses every logical fallacy in the book and repeats every platitude we all know too well and when people do that, they are just being stubborn and the harder you push, the more they will resist. It's hard to undo a good brainwashing. Plant seeds and leave it at that is sometimes the best you can hope for.