Comment: The Real World.

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The Real World.

you wrote = "if we want our lives, liberty and property, we fight for them or loose them, simple as that".
This is the realistic view of our world, re the value & use of force. The aggressor shows/ uses force, therefore force is necessary for defense.
After reading your post I am reminded of a saying = "the one who holds the stick owns the cow".

Another, = "Demons deserving (a kick, or) the stick will not accept (or obey) the word". i.e. a verbal order needs the backing of the stick.

there is much wisdom in your post above. I will reply to the one below later. This was easy, I gained from your observations /thoughts, it served as the reminder, to agree with & appreciate. Thanks & +1.