Comment: Your both arguing against sovereign individuals choosing groups

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Your both arguing against sovereign individuals choosing groups

So you reject it. Your rejecting it doesn't mean others can't accept it. And that seems to be the argument you are making - People can't self organize!

That's the point. Both of you are arguing against other people belonging to organizations they choose. Voluntary. And fyi they have a right to exclude you too. It's not enough to say I want to join.

Not sure what brainwashing the first poster has subjected himself to, but the word "government" is used in private organizations as well, as in charters that have sections about "our government structure", and "our governing principles". It's a sure sign you've subjected yourself to something if you start re-defining words in a non-standard way. Why do you need to?

Voluntary government - it just works.

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