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Maybe I am a dictator. Maybe I am the smile dictator
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Yah, but did I make you smile? It makes me smile.
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“I did not. The Dictator is the guy you call OP, and dictation is not bad, but it is not discussion. Which do you prefer?”

Oh, I thought you were calling me the dictator. I agree dictation is not bad. Dictation is a tool used by a person. If the person using that tool has good motives and is honest then the content of the dictation will contain those motives. I think dictation can contain motives by a dictator who places falsities in that dictation. Then I would say the content of the dictation is not good. It is false and it may be mixed with truth. There are many people, who will not be able to pick the falsity from the truth and will swallow a lie. So what does that make the dictator of that dictation?

I like discussion, you are right. With discussion dictation can be ironed out such that what is left after the discussion maybe truth, depending of course upon the goals of those persons involved in discussion. Discussion also is a tool. It can be used for good or for harm. The end product will depend upon the goals of those participating.

Like this:

I do think you are right about me attributing actions to a thing as if the thing can be held responsible instead of the person(s) using the thing. I only answered that test question because of wrote memory: Responsibility is individual or it is not responsibility.

Wrote memory, not application of memory. i.e. you are right on calling me out on me believing socialism does something as opposed to humans doing something. I had to drive to town and back this afternoon. It was another time of enlightenment for me as I realized that was exactly what I had been doing.

But also Joe, I have been wondering why why why this is socialism word such an issue. I think it is because of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology : Sociology is the study of society. It is a social science which uses various methods of empirical investigation[1] and critical analysis[2] to develop a body of knowledge about human social activity.

I understand that Andrews may have been speaking one language while these people: http://www.socialism.com/drupal-6.8/

“Welcome! The U.S. Freedom Socialist Party is a revolutionary, socialist feminist organization, dedicated to the replacement of capitalist rule by a genuine workers' democracy that will guarantee full economic, social, political and legal equality to all who are exploited, oppressed and repelled by the profit system and its offshoot—imperialism.
We are unionists, antiwar activists, free speech advocates, environmentalists, gay freedom fighters and rebellious people of color and youth. There are branches of the party in San Francisco, New York City, Seattle, Los Angeles and Portland and a sympathizing section in Australia. Our sister organization Radical Women is the leftwing of the feminist movement and the feminist wing of the socialist movement. Learn more about the party by subscribing to the bimonthly Freedom Socialist newspaper. It carries analysis, commentary, humor, and cartoons on the worldwide struggle for human emancipation. Or order books and pamphlets by socialist feminist theorists and revolutionary poets from Red Letter Press, the party's publishing house. “
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I think that group is speaking another language than Warren/Andrews, at least I think they are. What do you thing?
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I was born 49 years ago. I only know how socialism is used by individuals today. I know how socialism is used by decision makers in our government. That is why we have something called social security. It is “socialism” in the current definition of today. So if I knee jerk, that is why. You are asking me to replace 40 some odd years of the application of socialism by individuals in our society with the application of socialism by persons that lived almost 200 years ago named Josiah Warren and Stephen Pearl Andrews and I have a very hard time cutting the definition of current socialism and replacing it with a definition almost 200 years old. There are very few people who will understand anything but the current version of socialism. I think it better to use a different word. And I will probably continue to think it is better to use a different word.

I understand that Warren advocated private currency based upon the time and effort required in one’s personal labor. I can understand and see that value in a privately sovereign individually based and issued currency. I have not read Andrew’s Science of Society so I cannot speak fully on his intent, but he teamed up with Warren so I would imagine that they worked together and had the same good goals. Perhaps their goals were Equitable Socialism as opposed to Collective Socialism. But in today’s terms, Socialism does not come with a pre qualifier. It is just socialism that means collectivism. If one is forced into a collective situation as far as I can understand they are no longer sovereign. That is why you have helped me understand voluntary association. That is why each state should have its own voluntary system whereby people vote with their feet if they do not like the system. However, we do not find ourselves in that situation today. Today we are in a system whereby we are forced coercively to participate in a collective socialist system which is beholden to crony capitalism. So in order to speak clearly I would say a qualifier needs to be added to the word socialism or a new word needs to be used to emancipate the truth from the error in the system currently used by criminals.

To me it is like you telling me I don’t care what color the Republicans say they are. I say they are blue. They were blue and they are blue. I don’t care if everyone else now says they are red because they changed from blue to red. Don’t you dare call them red. They are blue. And I say When a rose changes colors it is time to take note and change words.
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I realize you said this is not a hobby, entertainment, fun, but work. Joe, you play guitar to have a well maintained life. I like to write. I like to learn while I am writing. I like to talk to you. It is entertaining and fun to me and it is also work to try to apply new concepts to my thinking. Yes, we have been at this a long time and if I am slowing you down, I do not want to do that. I cannot give all of myself to this. I have cubs and a papa bear. I have a church full of people. I am not my own, I belong to everyone else, and this little space, this little place, I have found in writing and learning belongs to me. That may not make much sense to you, but it does to me. If that about me makes it so I am not qualified we need to know that. At the same time I need to have respect for the seriousness of the matter and the work you are about. I know it is serious. It is probably a coping mechanism for me not to think of the gravity involved; that being, the complete disregard for human life and the bodies stacked high to heaven.
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On the freezing thing. I am a screamer. I get spooked at the slightest surprise and I scream. I scream out loud in movies when no one else does. I am a runner, one time I was walking home from school with a friend. I was smoking. Her mom pulled up. I ran. So I am not calm cool and collect. At the shooting range with the real loud guns I jump. I cannot even see where the shot hits the target because I jump. Quiet guns, no. Loud ones, yes. I suppose if someone came to a trench I would scream and they would shoot me and then you or someone would have time to shoot them. I can now see myself playing ball and wanting to duck instead of catch a ball. I suppose I need to work on my reflexes. I suppose I am not brave at all. I just always want to protect, but maybe I would fall short. I can say when the cubs are involved a mama bear does come out, with claws. Maybe I just talk big.
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“I paid my homage to the forum operator. I have my own forum. You don't like my forum. You like this one, better than I do, so why would I fawn over this forum operator, because you ask me too?”

I guess out of respect for a request made by a friend.

“I can, but you may not get exactly what you think you will get when you send me on an errand.”

I never considered that I would not like what you had to say. OK never mind. I didn’t even consider how it would sound for me to ask you something like that with your own forum. I have seen people criticizing Michael and I wanted to do something to let him know that he is appreciated and that I appreciate this place in the world. I fail to look at all sides of things when I ask you to do something.
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Howard Bloom – Didn’t you tell me he wants to exterminate the Muslims? I want to know why. I read a little on that last night. Seems he things we have a grave enemy: An enemy with a completely different mindset than ourselves. I wonder if he is lumping all Muslims together: guilty by association? I knew a Muslim at NASA. I like the guy. He suggested I might want to quit saying “Dad Gum It” because I was taking the Lord’s name in vain. I had never even thought about what those words meant. I had heard them all my life from my parents. He knew I was a Christian. We had a friendship. If push came to shove, maybe he would shoot me. Maybe I am dumb and naïve. Maybe the Collectivists are radicalizing Muslims to destroy America because we are too strong. Maybe that KGB guys words did not come true because we bear arms. Maybe they will use that bearing to our own demise as we fight an enemy that has been radicalized on our homeland. Maybe Bloom knows something. Maybe he doesn’t. (http://www.howardbloom.net/islam.htm ) Or is he just selling an idea…someone else’s idea?
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I think I have answered both of our discussions in this one. I suppose I have wasted a couple of days of your time.

When researching abit last night I found this on Warren: http://cardinalscholar.bsu.edu/handle/handle/175361?mode=ful... and I found these words:

“This, coupled with the labor-for-labor system, was to create a sovereign individual.In 1850, Warren went to New York. There he met Stephen Pearl Andrews who was immediately interested in Warren's ideas. Together they founded and publicized a new town on Long Island to be named Modern Times. Modern Times did not grow beyond a village, but the no-rules system worked, until adverse publicity and the necessity for money to pay taxes ended the idyll.”

It looks like the Collectivists wanted some taxes which ended Modern Times. I had not seen that information before. It seems from that link that there is a doctoral student that did their thesis on Warren. It would be interesting to get a complete copy of the work?
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“I can opt out, so long as enough other people opt out too.”

There is an article on the Front Page of the DP today whereby currency is linked to trust. I found the concept interesting: http://www.dailypaul.com/261285/memo-to-central-banks-you-re...

“ “Next to language, money is the most important medium through which modern societies communicate” writes Bernd Widdig in his masterful analysis of Germany’s inflation crisis “Culture and Inflation in Weimar Germany.” His may be an abstract observation, but it has the commendable merit of being true … all economic activity requires the cooperation of strangers and therefore, a degree of trust between cooperating strangers. Since money is the agent of such mutual trust, debasing money implies debasing the trust upon which social cohesion rests.”

I was thinking maybe a link to your page would be in order?
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“Based upon what I've learned from you so far, it turns out, that The Christian Religion, or the Word of God, so named, also arrives at that same conclusion - in different words.”

Christians like to say Religion is man reaching to God. Christianity is God reaching to man.
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“You, if you want, to study society, can, and if you want my help, I can offer some information on that topic, in fact, I already have, but there is more, much more, and after awhile the pieces do start fitting together, such as this Common Law (genuine article) versus Corporate/Contract/Maritime/Admiralty Law (which is very likely to be only, at the base of it, a counterfeit version of Common Law).”

These words are found in Romans 2: 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness , and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another ;)

I offer Romans to you in that study of society and law. I believe it is speaking of natural law...from the Word of God. God does not make puppets. People choose individually whether to submit themselves to God and allow Him to work thru them in whatever way He, the Most Sovereign High God, chooses.
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You asked me not to shoot the messenger, that OP, regarding the Bond Issue. I don’t care for the messenger. I need to know, do you still want me to talk about the message given by Speer?

You said this to me:
“I think our discussion has run it's course.
I could be wrong of course.”

I need to know the answer. I am not going to lick your boots. If you are done, say so. Those words were interpreted by me as a threat: Shape up or ship out. Otherwise, maybe I do not understand those words, but they hurt my feelings, and I am not going to be in some kind of discussion bondage whereby I am needy to the point that I am afraid you will not talk to me anymore. And I feel like I have to crawl back in submission. And yet, I don’t know who else will tell me what you tell me.

Before you started talking to me you had plenty of time to develop Posts. Now your information is all directed to me for other’s to read as well, but are they?

If you had not spent so much time straightening out my blaming things yesterday maybe you would have had time to straighten out:

"Americans Aged 18-29 Have a More Favorable View Towards Socialism Than Capitalism"
That is an example of how well Hegalism works, or Thesis - Anti-Thesis = Synthesis works, or Divide and Conquer works, or Falsehood combined with violence works, or Legal Crime works, or whatever words convey how a counterfeit thing can be blamed for actions by people and then another counterfeit thing…”

How can you stand to see all the falsity and let it go? I suppose that is where I get into trouble. I want to give some corrected dictation or discussion depending on willing parties. I cannot talk about that link above. I am too conflicted. You can. Perhaps I have stifled your influence.

This is a very long reply…as if neither of us had anything better to do.

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