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What I found most interesting was the response from communists

They did not think that THAT was communism. One pointed out "the distinction between personal and private property". Yeah, I am scratching my head on that one too. Still another pointed out that the personal stuff the boy owned is not subject to communal division. Then another pointed out that the communist ideal needs others to join in, thus the whole family would need to be dividing things 1/5. The parents would need to give 1/5 of their pay checks and the boy would take 1/5 communal ownership in the assets (and liabilities?) of the house. And another pointed out that since the boy did not have a job at the time, forcing a job is wrong.

My libertarian friends, believe it or not, these politically ideological people are your 'cousins'. They are your cousins in this sense. In biology it can be said that man is born with certain 'gifts', or traits, or biases. By the 8th grade, these biases show up strongly. You may see a math bias, a musical bias, and so forth. We may not even be IQ gifted, just "passionately obsessed". That passion and obsession can take you far, in math, in music, in mechanics, and in any endeavor. In our case, we all are "politically obsessed". We read with great interest "1984", "Brave New World", and "WE". We saw the political angle in Star Wars, Battle Star Galactica, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, and dozens of games. We read and read. We were concerned with "the big picture" and "the plight of Mankind".

That was 8th grade thru college. And somewhere along that political obsession, you reasoned your way towards the two bright lights you saw far far in the distance. For you and me, that bright light that we reasoned towards was the ideal of Liberty for All. But not for all of us. For the rest of us they reasoned towards the ideal of Equality of All. That is, for all of us select few politically concerned and impassioned people, we took a road and found a fork in that road. For many of us, we did not even SEE that fork in the road, so blinded by the goal of Liberty or Equality that we did not see the other star ahead. So what has happened is our ideological cousins have traveled far far far down the shining path to Equality and have found at the end Communism. Meanwhile, you and I have followed the light to the bright star of Liberty and found libertarianism.

The interesting thing is, neither group likes the other. Like some classical musicians who love Mozart vs some jazz musicians who love John Coltrane, the two seem irreconcilable. So as musicians we play to the UNMUSICAL masses, and piss away valuable time trying to get fans and converts and increase our musical views popularity. But it is a wasted cause. The masses are ignorant of music and have the attention span of a 3 minute song. We on the other hand, can play on for hours, days, weeks even. We are obsessed.

That is how it is between libertarians/anarchist and communists/socialist. We are like those two musical groups. Rarely ever does one "cross over" and "become" the other. Such conversions are "historical" and "legendary". Karl Hess converted over to liberty after diving deep into communist thought. They have their liberty converts too, but we've drawn a line through their name and burnt the paper-yes, we do not have a clue who they are. This just makes us "think" they don't exist, but they do exist.

So, communists are our political-intellectual cousins? Yes. They are FAMILY. Just as Jazz musicians and Classical musicians are Family. They both are musically obsessed. We both are politically obsessed. Yet, we don't talk. And that is highly ironic because THAT IS ALL WE WANT TO DO. We can do it for hours, days, weeks, months even. We are obsessed.

So what do we have to say to our intellectual cousins then? We have this to say.

"If you walk through the door of Liberty first, you will soon find a world of Equality. If you walk through the door of Equality first, you will soon find a world of tyranny." -- (Treg D. Loyden)

What I mean by this, if its not already obvious, is that MASSIVE LIBERTY BEGETS MASSIVE EQUALITY. To achieve a relatively fair and equal world for Mankind, one has to seek liberty for Mankind. If you seek a fair and equal world for Mankind and sacrifice liberty for equality, you'll get nothing but tyranny.

This is what we have to teach our communist cousins. We MUST NOT tell them that the pursuit of human equality is WRONG. It is not wrong at all. We must NOT teach them that massive equality is not fair. It is fair, if fairly attained. And the WAY to attain that fair and equal society is by pursuing a society with massive amounts of Liberty. The more Liberty, the more fair and equal society will become.

Now, this means you and I will have to really know our history. For while we may know our economics, they know their history. It is their understanding of history that leads them to "know" that more Liberty gets LESS fairness & equality. SO, they WANT fairness in society and that fairness to them is all wrapped up in what is EQUAL. You will not change their bright star of Equality. But what you can do is give them what is called, "revisionist history".

Specifically, you must give our politically passionate cousins "libertarian revisionist history". Tom Woods and Tom De Lorenzo are two of our best. But we have others who have written and published important understandings in the Journal of Libertarian Studies, CATO books, Lassie Faire Books, and so on. What libertarian revisionist history does is this. It takes the economic (and soon biological) understanding that we have, and looks back at the facts of history to then re-understand those events. Murray Rothbard's "Great Depression" is just one of many books and essays you'll need to know.

ANd you will need to know this, when talking with your ideological cousins.

So, study libertarianism, and meet your family members. Heck, invite them over for thanks giving once a year and send them a gift on christmas. That is what we do with family members after all.

(Oh, in case you still don't know WHY you should be talking to these errant "political cousins" of ours, it is this. One idealogical convert is equal too one new libertarian. Sounds great right? But do you know your libertarian worth? In people that is? Your worth is equal too the following: (libertarians love graphs so here you go)

1 Daily Paul recently awakened libertarian = 10,000 people
1 LP card carrying 'foaming at the mouth' LIBERTARIAN = 100 people
1 red stained shoe R3VOLution libertarian = 50,000 people
1 Website "small l" libertarian blogger = 70,000 people
1 YouTube video making "small l" libertarian = 100,000 people
1 Published liberty book author = 150,000 people
1 Multiple liberty book author = 500,000 people
1 Major liberty ideologue book author = 14,500,000 people
1 Major liberty ideologue lasting over 10 years = 50,000,000 people
1 Major liberty ideologue lasting over 40 years = A MASS MOVEMENT
(Think Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, Milton Friedman)

Now the same above is true on our ideological cousins, the communist on the other side of the divide. Each one of them is VERY valuable. Very VERY valuable indeed. Here is another way to look at it. Drop the zeros above and put in cents. Think of what we would lose, should they "convert" a liberty lover into an "equality lover" who "saw the light" and began to champion communism (hey, it happens). Here is what we would lose in terms of money:

1 Daily Paul recently awakened libertarian = 10 cents
1 LP card carrying 'foaming at the mouth' LIBERTARIAN = 1 cent
1 red stained shoe R3VOLution libertarian = 50 cents
1 Website "small l" libertarian blogger = 70 cents
1 YouTube video making "small l" libertarian = 1.00 dollar
1 Published liberty book author = $1.50
1 Multiple liberty book author = $5.00
1 Major liberty ideologue book author = $1,450
1 Major liberty ideologue lasting over 10 years = $5,000
1 Major liberty ideologue lasting over 40 years = Sold for Life
(Think Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, Milton Friedman)

* Notice -- "foaming at the mouth" libertarians or communists are not valuable to the cause. They TURN PEOPLE OFF. So look in the mirror once in a while and be sure there is no white cream at the corners of your lips. A good thing to do is put a mirror next to your computer monitor so that when you are "chatting" and "replying", it is truly just a "chat" and a "reply". Keep it down, stay cool, and recall this is a very long LIFE LONG battle, no victories come "just like that". The "Ah ha" moment does come "just like that", "Oh I see how raising the min wage can increase unemployment"....yet that "ah ha" moment will then be followed by months and years of "but, but, but". That is just how the human mind works. It take TIME to integrate the new info into your total world view. Its tight in there, so it takes TIME. Ron Paul said the same speech for 40 years, keep that in mind.

So, why should you dialog with Communist/Socialist, and all the "equality and fairness" lovers out there and NOT YOUR ADVERAGE JOE?

Because they are valuable. Interms of money it takes....

10,000 Average Joes "getting it" to just 1 Equality Ideological cousin. See graph above.

But to get these ideological cousins, you MUST become familiar with their 10 year and 40 year ideologies. After all, it is they who have sold them, hook, line and sinker.

Knowing THOSE heavy weights through and through is YOUR JOB. Once you have done that work, you will be that rare thing in the libertarian world -- a Libertarian Hunter. A Socialist/Communist Killer. In reality you will be making converts, en mass.

One of the best libertarian writers who was truly a Libertarian Hunter was of course Ayn Rand. She went for the jugular, the Altruist floor on which they all stood. Another Libertarian Hunter was one of the best camouflaged in the history of liberty, Henry Hazlitt. In one amazing book, he took down Lord Keynes. Keynesians cannot read his book on the subject without turning the last page and saying, "I'm an austrian". That is a kill. That is a convert. This book can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/The-Failure-New-Economics-Keynesian/dp...
His other book keeps on killing to this day, ECONOMICS IN ONE LESSON.

But as I said above, economics is not where our communist cousins will do real battle. Their battlefield is on the table of History. For this, YOU WILL HAVE TO PREPARE. Here are some good books to engage them with. http://lfb.org/product-categories/

Sharpen your skills by first engaging "the pawns" and then as you find victory, those pawns will pass you up to "some one you should chat with" and over to "someone you should read". Chat with them, read them, for these are their Castles and Knights. You must be able to get through and defeat these communist castles and knights with your razor sharp knowledge of revisionist history. Just free market economics will not cut it. When they bring up Child Labor in America, you MUST know the subject through and through, detail by amazing detail. You must ENLIGHTEN them on stuff they DID NOT KNOW.

To be victorious, and claim a knight or castle level communist is one thing, a great and wonderful thing. But still better is assault that we must make against their fortress walls, those built up by 10 and 40 year long Equality and Fairness ideologies that shape their whole movement. These are the pillars that must be toppled, and to do that we must have our top thinkers take them on directly. Many of theirs are dead, and many of ours are dead too. But our scholars and theirs are still alive, and this is what WE MUST DO... drag them out of their comfort zones, out of their offices in high towers, and bring them to a focused convention on.... Liberty & Equality ----- IT WILL BE A BASH -- libertarians vs communist --- pawn vs pawn --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1SHxFAEjEk&feature=relmfu

But remember what you're really fighting is their lesson from history that teaches them that Freedom leads to InEquality and Tyranny- something we both are against. No, massive freedom leads to massive equality and justice, that is the lesson of history. And to the extent that we don't have massive freedom, is to the extent that an unnatural hierarchy and and unnatural inequality and unnatural injustice will occur. Here is Dr. Milton Friedman teach just this vary thing to Michael Harrington, a gawd among socialists at the time: Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOMI0ORGH44

Treg

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