Comment: Ahhh....Now I see

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Ahhh....Now I see

We do have very different definitions. You claim "religious" means having values and I claim religious means...umm...religious, holding to a religion, being of faith, etc.... I am not religious and I have values - so your thought process is a little off. (Claiming that science cannot be taught without "values" shows you don't understand science - just FYI). But, OK, religious liberty means people that can think.

Then....you say: "My statement that "many atheists oppose religious liberty..." was just that, a statement about atheists" -- that would be a "duh" response from me. That was exactly the point! You have no basis for that claim, and have yet to produce any evidence of that. Now, that is tainted by the fact that you think anyone teaching anything in any school restricts religious liberty. That's a tough one. It is a gigantic Begging the Question fallacy.

But, lets think about that. If you are saying any teacher in any public school teaching any subject is restricting religious liberty, then, given the fact that at least 90% of the teachers are Christian, it is actually a gigantic majority of Christians restricting religious liberty. I know that wasn't your argument, but you didn't say that "almost all" public school teachers are Christian and restrict religious liberty. You claimed that "many" (over 50% in basic vernacular) atheists restrict religious liberty. and, given your (faulty) logic that could be true. But, you still chose to single out atheists....curious.

So, I will begrudgingly withdraw my second lie claim. You have just no sense of logic or reason and think that atheism is a religion. So be it. I suppose we should just give up on definitions of words. Good, now I can take my canine cat for a sprint and swim in the pepper water of the Pacific River.

Schools from the very beginning have been "government" schools. They were just localized. From one-room country schools to county schools to perochial schools (subsidized by local taxes and accredited by states). Again, I don't disagree with the need to go back to local control. And, I would probably even go for parent groups and private schools. But, we are stuck on your definition of "religion" - which is apparently every person who has a brain and learns things.

But, I will not withdraw my first accusation. If you don't even know what atheism is, how can you claim to have been one? Nope, that is a lie. Good try though.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain