In Athens there were two parties. The War Party and the other party. War is appealing enough to base man to not need much embellishment. It is actually BECAUSE of Christianity that the war party must concoct intricate webs of propaganda to seep through the filter of the Christian right. At the base of it all is the bloodlust and tribalism that animates the non-Christian right too. I had the same conversation you had with a guy who went into a strip club right afterwards. Lol. This drivel is as much an excuse as it is a reason.