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Thank you mdefarge for your

Thank you mdefarge for your time. I appreciate it and feel abit ashamed for taking you from your work. I do respect your opinion. I have been around the block with many Dpers here in this post on this issue. Some people even think if some kind of life legislation were passed it would cause federal intrusion into the lives of pregnant women. I mention that to my husband and he could see it. At first I was OK in my thinking about federal legislation, but after that decided that perhaps that is why Ron Paul’s legislation for state control was significant. No one even co-sponsored with him on Sanctity of Life, but the legislation for Life at Conception has many house and senate sponsors.

I am having a hard time understanding the difference between Ron & Rand’s legislation. Both make conception the point of life. Rand’s legislation calls to the 14th Amendment of the constitution rights. Ron’s legislation did not. However, if the 14th amendment applies then I cannot see why Ron’s legislation would not have the same impact federally. Ron’s legislation specifically calls out the right to the state to protect life.

So, my intelligent friend, in your spare time, and I mean spare even if it is not well into next year, can you please help me understand the difference. I will give links to make it easier on you.

Rand: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s91/text

14th Amendment:
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Ron’s legislation: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr1096/text

Also, Biblically what are your thoughts on Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made : marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written , which in continuance were fashioned , when as yet there was none of them. 17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Controversial Romans 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

And one last passage: Luke 1:41 KJV
And it came to pass , that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

I am familiar with the breath stance as R B Thieme, Jr. holds this position and I have read his writings.

I see abortion on demand as a coarsening of affection toward human life which can easily lead to euthanasia, especially now with Obamacare. Do you have any thoughts along those lines?

There are people already debating whether a new born contains qualities of personhood. So even if we think life begins at birth there are those who will not stop at birth.

“Personally, bear? I know that when I was younger I'd have had no qualms about having an abortion.” mdefarge, that shoe fits me as well, except I may have had qualms, but it would have been my solution.

Thank you for the kitty tip. You are so smart. I am more of the ram rod type. I don’t even think of coaxing. I will definitely get some canned tuna to put in the carrier. I am leaving the cat at the vet 2 nights so they can take away food before surgery as well as worm him the morning after.

Thank you again for your time. I feel abit stupid asking you questions like these after all you have been through and all you have on your list to do. I wanted to talk to you about it though because I do not feel the need to debate your thoughts. I just want you to share them with me so I can see another person's way.

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