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not really,

I was not being overly defensive, you just had a dismissive tone to your last post.

It is admittedly hard to measure good and bad. You said that "If people really are basically bad, it doesn't strengthen an argument for banning gun rights because govt. will never give up its guns and it makes no sense to allow some "basically bad" people to have guns and not all the others."

I agree! That's my point for gun ownership. Then you say, "if all people are basically good, no one, including govt. would need guns; or, all people can be trusted with guns since they're all basically good." I also agree, IF people were good, then guns would not be needed. In fact, government would not be needed at all.

You say that some people are good and some people are bad. I disagree. I think that some people act good and some act bad. And most people's behavior is a mix of the two. My point was never to classify everyone's behavior, rather, my premise was one of our nature. In the same way that it is in our nature to walk on two legs. We could classify the different ways people walk on two legs, but it's true that it is in our nature to do that. I assert that it is our nature to have a propensity towards evil. Not all our behavior is evil, and not everyone is evil or bad to the same degree. But that is our nature. See the difference?

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson