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Do me a favor and go look up

Do me a favor and go look up "coersion" in a dictionary.

This is why no one takes you people seriously any more, and laugh at your religeon. You have nothing to stand on. YOu can't even make a simple declairation like the one above without being absolutly and proovably incorrect. When the threat of force lingers over a person pertaining to a course of action to compel a choice, it is NOT voluntary. This is legally established FACT that is used to argue cases in court every day. Why can you not understand this!?

Taxes are NOT voluntary because you are not given a "reasonable" choice to avoid them without force being used upon you. You are compelled to comply by a direct threat of harm over your head.

Worshiping god is NOT voluntary because you are not given a "reasonable" choice to avoid submission without force being used upon you. You are compelled to comply by a direct threat of harm over your head.

I do NOT choose to go to hell. I want no part of it, but neither will I worship someone I don't even believe exists. IF he wants me in hell, god must either put me there himself, or use his goons to drag me there against my will. This is NOT free will. This is NOT voluntary. This is coersion.

The reason this fact cannot breach your skulls is because if it did, it would force you to question your dogma and reveal the utter ridiculousness of the contradiction between your faith, and your political beliefs. God is force. Libertarianism is free choice.

Does it not set off some kind of subconcious alarm bells in your mind that in your brain... you call a person holding a gun to your head and demanding "Obey me or I shoot you." to be coersion, but in the SAME brain at the SAME time, consider a person saying "Worship me or... sadly, you have to burn forever" as free choice?

Something is not right in a brain that can hold two contradictory thoughts at the same time.

To shine a bit more light on the maddness of this religeon... free will cannot exist when the future is predetermined. The bible says that God sees all things, past, present and future. That means he knows if you will burn or not. It is predetermined. How can you have free will when your fate is already set? How can you NOT see this? Its is indisputable logical reality.

Edit: Again im not talking to christians who don't believe in a torturous hell. If hell doesn't exist, then there "IS" a reasonable alternative to being disallowed from heaven, therefore, no coersion. Im cool with that.