“So, that reminds me, I also woke with another angle on the God and Son message you offered, one that I have been wrestling with, as the concept of having someone else being held accountable for my sins does not seem reasonable to me. I still reject that notion.”
On this New Years Eve, your words inspire me to send this message and angle.
Your words: “....the concept of having someone else being held accountable for my sins does not seem reasonable to me. I still reject that notion.”
Someone else is not accountable for your sins. You are accountable for your sins.
Josf, almost any mother animal will fight to her death to protect her young. A soldier will fall upon a grenade to protect his team. A parent will accept death to deliver a single child. People risk their lives for complete strangers who are in trouble.
1) The wages of sin are death. Romans 6
2) The soul that sinneth shall die. Ezekiel 18.
3) Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Hebrews 9
Jesus simply fell on the grenade for all those who will accept the fact. He fought to the death to deliver those trapped by the evil one.
• Romans 5:6 KJV
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Look what he said to Jerusalem:
• Matthew 23:37 KJV
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Look what he said while he was on the cross:
• Luke 23:34 KJV
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
John 10: 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have , which are not of this fold: them also I must bring , and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down , and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
It was done because God is Jesus and follows the Golden Rule. Much like your play with persons A and B:
I'm not sure if this is the right thing to do, can you help me?
I'm not sure either.
What is best for you?
This, but what is best for you?
This, but for now what is best for me is obviously not best for you.
Right, but eventually, on this path, the shoe will be on the other foot, so I can pay this cost now, for you, if you accept, and later, as you can see, the benefits you realize will benefit many others, along the way, including me eventually, so it looks like the right thing to do, but we can ask someone else too. What do you think?
How does it look from a spiritual viewpoint.
I can check my sources: good idea.”
Satan stole God’s creation and God paid the cost to get it back. The choice is yours. You can fall on another grenade if you want to, but the grenade has already been defused. Jesus conquered death when he rose from the grave.
• Romans 6:9 KJV
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Josf, you have told me what you would have done if your loved one had wanted to be out of a hospital. What do you think God would do for you to set you free? He loves you more than you can ever humanly love. In your human love you would risk your life and I dare say give your life. In God’s holy love He knowingly gave His human life.
What if someone went in with guns a blazing to set someone free and took a bullet in the chest and that someone would not take the escape route provided, but wanted to extricate themself all by themself? The notion of that is ridiculous whether it was a loved one or a stranger risking life and limb, I would accept the rescue.
I have spent some time today thinking about Patty Hurst. I don’t know all the ins and outs of that situation. But take a situation like that as an example. Suppose my son had been kidnapped and was made to do bad things and had no say in it at all and I had the opportunity to trade my life for his. What do you think I would do?
Romans 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet per adventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Jesus is a hero.
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