Comment: Yea, I get that a lot.

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Yea, I get that a lot.

I have my own creative, working, mind, and a working human conscience.

I do not need well paid liars to speak for me, nor do I need anyone to speak for me for free, nor do I need anyone to speak for me according to their own sense of generosity.

I am right here, and I am capable of speaking in my own defense against people, like this rp4pres fellow forum member, when such people discredit me with false statements.

My name is Joe Kelley, Josf, for short, come on by, I can let you know exactly where we can discuss why your words are injuring me, and you can apologize face to face, or as you please, keep on stabbing your targets from a well hidden false front of nebulous anonymity.

I don't hate you, but I sure do hate self deception, in myself.

I discuss, and I appreciate people who are genuinely proving that they too want to discuss topics, such as the fellow forum member bear.

I do not appreciate your version of character assassination, published in this forum, as you publicly hang me without trial.

You exemplify all that is false about government.

Your libelous words:

"What you're dealing with in Josf and a few others I think is Anarchist.. They want to do away with all forms of government."

bear, bless her heart (in any way that gives her the credit she is due), asks, often, how to tell friend from foe, as if she, like me, shares the concern for knowing better, and not settling for knowing worse as to who is out to injure the innocent, and who is more than willing to help avoid injury to any innocent people.

I can offer to her, or anyone, an example of how to tell friend from foe.

The following is against the forum rules:

"What you're dealing with in Josf and a few others I think is Anarchist.. They want to do away with all forms of government."

That is a blatant lie and the obvious target of the lie is a fellow forum member who happens to be me.

Liars are a dime a dozen, they are easy to spot, because they have a habit of lying, so they lie, that is what they do, and they spread their lies liberally enough, here and there, targeting this and that person, until such time as they are challenged, and then what do they do once their lies are challenged?

More lies?

Which lies?

I could go back and find more, if there are more, but this one will do:

"What you're dealing with in Josf and a few others I think is Anarchist.. They want to do away with all forms of government."

That is a lie. I know it is a lie because it is so cleverly crafted to leave room for a retreat, to have a way out of the lie, to place into the product a back door, to create what is known as "plausible dependability", the lie is very well done, and it is the mark of a very well practiced liar.

"What you're dealing with in Josf and a few others I think is Anarchist.. They want to do away with all forms of government."

Note how the name dropping is meticulously disconnected from the actual stab of injury done to the character being assassinated, this Josf character is in the first part of the sentence, printed in English, and then there are three dots, and then the hit piece.

The hit piece is vicious, certainly crafted well enough to accomplish the desired result of murdering the victim's credit among fellow forum members, why those people (dot, dot, dot: Josf) "want to do away with all forms of government", and nudge, nudge, wink, wink, we all know what that means, don't we?

So the lies continue and all the individual lies are collected into a fund and the fund is the total POWER of all the lies invented by, produced by, and maintained by all the liars, and the total POWER of all of that can be easily measured in more or less precise ways.

Such as:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

I was on the ballot for Congress in 1996.

I just received an e-mail from the Libertarian Party seeking help from me: a solicitation.

When I responded I thought about all the possible ramifications of meeting the challenge offered to me by the Libertarian Party.

They did not respond to my response to their solicitation.

An honest person is not wanted in this Political Economy we find ourselves born into, this is the place where liars are paid well.

Until that changes there will be a steady march into absolute despotism.

Look here:

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/deat...

The liars are not at the gate, as in the Enemy at the Gate.

The liars are among us, and they mean to harm us, they mean to be mean.

It is past time to figure this out folks.

Joe