Comment: Definitions

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Definitions

Since we're free to make definitions:

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do, and is really only tangentially relevant to this discussion.

Liberty is the collection of freedoms you have left after agreeing to give up some of your freedoms to get along better in society.

No society has complete freedom, and all societies have some liberty. The question is: How much and which freedoms do you want to give up? How much liberty do you want?

The crucial answer provided by Jefferson was: I want the maximum liberty possible subject to the condition that I do not infringe on the same liberty of another.

It's not the freedom movement, it's the liberty movement.