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I don't know.

"But I suppose I digress. Because this topic is about a God that orders the death of children."

That pinpoints this:

"I claim the Word of God, the Bible, is Holy and Supernaturally God-Inspired. I claim it is the very Word of God and has absolute authority even when I do not understand everything. That is the knowledge I have. I know."

The difference between your viewpoint and my viewpoint is such that I can believe or know (because evidence abounds that a power of creation exists) that the creator (power in my view) is absolutely creating things. Where I have a problem is the medium of exchange.

God is over here. Mankind in history is here. I am here.

I can trust/believe/know/understand/realize/measure/account for/authorize/acknowledge/rationalize/perceive God.

God is over here.

Check.

I am here. I have that, everywhere I go, I am here.

Check.

In between God and this being knowable as me are these other human beings, writers, people, humans, with names, having deeds recorded, claims, histories, etc.

God over here.

Check.

Me.

Check.

In between God and I are:

"The Bible teaches that man loves darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Otherwise if man were good, then those few that maintain power would do good for mankind."

1.
God over here.

2.
Mankind
"The Bible teaches that man loves darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Otherwise if man were good, then those few that maintain power would do good for mankind."

3.
Me over here.

I get 1 and 3 well enough.

I think you have heard from me ample evidence (despite me being among those known as Mankind) proving that I get 1 and 3.

I do not get the contradiction that says mankind is bad so trust mankind to connect God to me.

A.
Mankind is bad.
Here:
"The Bible teaches that man loves darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Otherwise if man were good, then those few that maintain power would do good for mankind."

B.
Trust Mankind to write down all the things God wants me to believe.

A and B do not compute.

A.
"I claim the Word of God, the Bible, is Holy and Supernaturally God-Inspired. I claim it is the very Word of God and has absolute authority even when I do not understand everything. That is the knowledge I have. I know."

So the Bible is there, I can read it, and you can read it, and 1 million other human beings can read it. Some read it and recognize a tool that can be used to enslave powerless people, and history shows how that was probably true, and current reality shows how that is probably true, as End Timers are doing all they can to get World War III off on schedule.

You can read the Bible.

I can read the Bible.

You come up with this:

"I claim the Word of God, the Bible, is Holy and Supernaturally God-Inspired. I claim it is the very Word of God and has absolute authority even when I do not understand everything. That is the knowledge I have. I know."

I see specific things that are treasures, competitive viewpoints that are exemplary examples of all that is good about humankind; while I also see things that appear to me to be contradictions and therefore evidence supporting the accurately measurable existence of lies.

If mankind is bad then I should not trust mankind to deliver to me the word of God.

If you are saying that God takes over people as if people are robots, and God is remote controlling people, and these remotely controlled drones, human flesh, God drones, are then made to deliver the messages God wants the other people to hear, then that could explain the contradiction, if I am going to understand, in some way, by some reason, how I am supposed to resolve this apparent contradiction.

A.
"The Bible teaches that man loves darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Otherwise if man were good, then those few that maintain power would do good for mankind."

B.
"I claim the Word of God, the Bible, is Holy and Supernaturally God-Inspired. I claim it is the very Word of God and has absolute authority even when I do not understand everything. That is the knowledge I have. I know."

let there please be no mistake here in what I am conveying to you with words, intending to convey a perspective intact, without error, as I am not shooting all those messengers who are the messengers recorded in the Bible.

I did not say this:

"The Bible teaches that man loves darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. Otherwise if man were good, then those few that maintain power would do good for mankind."

Why trust person A - ever?

Why distrust person B - ever?

Who says that "man loves darkness"?

I don't trust someone who says "man loves darkness".

I know plenty of people, human beings, who love life.

Someone claiming that all men are bad, is a familiar story line, a routine, it is the same things said by criminals, as they are setting about to deflect defensive power aimed at their selves for their crimes that they have perpetrated, are perpetrating, or will perpetrate.

Criminals lie, threaten, and injure innocent people.

How?

They disarm their victims.

It is a routine. It is a recognizable routine. It follows an obvious, measurable, and accurately measurable, pattern.

When I recognize the pattern, I think it is a good idea for me, someone who claims, in my own way, each day, that I do not "love darkness", and I choose to make the best of what God gave me, as well as anyone else can in my shoes, me, as I see these patterns, time and again, to say, hey, that ought to be questioned.

That pattern aught to be questioned according to my own sense of not being one of the people who "love darkness" specifically.

Specifically not loving the darkness of murdering babies - for example.

"But I suppose I digress. Because this topic is about a God that orders the death of children."

I don't know that you digress. The subject matter we are discussing is long over due and therefore, in my opinion, it is well covered up with lies.

Failure to keep moral perspective, accurate perspective, moral, and accurate, allows for what to happen?

How does a person who wants to live well, a person who wants to have their children live better, how does such a being, a living being, get to the point where a person exists under a condition of abject belief in falsehood without question?

I am not questioning faith in God.

Remember, please:

1. God is here.
2. Mankind is here.
3. I am here.

I get 1 and 3.

I am questioning the abject belief in falsehood without question as it manifests itself in the use of Fraudulent Money as if there were only one Money, and the payment of extortion fees denominated in that one money to the very people who now torture and mass murder and LIE with that power they steal in that criminal way, and no one questions that process, with few exceptions.

1. God is here.
2. Mankind is here (hypnotized into Legal Crime)
3. I am here.

I get 1 and 3.

I get that you believe that there is a way that God manages to remove all the lies out of the Bible that you read, so be it, I get that you find that to be believable. I don't.

My main point is that God would be confident in his absolute power when we human beings stop believing in abject falsehood without question, and we stop loving darkness, and we stop using the fraud money, and we stop paying the extortion fee, and we stop sending our children off to torture, mass murder, torture us, murder us, be tortured, and be murdered, or commit suicide, for lower gas prices: loving darkness.

God may actually be saying, this is how things will be, you, you, and you, will learn not to love darkness, but that one, that one, and that one, they won't learn better, so watch out, and do what you can to disconnect from the tangled web because all those people who love darkness are going to have at each others throats, because that is the price they pay for wanting to have at each others throats.

For you, or anyone, any man, any woman, any sinner, any error prone person ever having stood on the earth, reaching maturity, saying "all men are bad" to me, is to me, a recognizable pattern shared by all the criminals.

So it is my turn to see "RED", but I'm not jumping to conclusions.

I am asking.

Do you see the contradiction?

Can you explain the contradiction?

I've explained a possible way that God could take over control of the error prone people, those lovers of darkness, and instead of lying, which those lovers of darkness do so often, God remote controls those error prone lovers of darkness, human drones, and makes those error prone lovers of darkness tell the truth in this case, this case of writing the Bible, etc.

Contradiction:

Men are bad - but trust men to deliver the word of God.

If you don't see the contradiction then why not?

If you see the contradiction, as I see it, then explain how it is not a contradiction - please.

Does my human drone theory work well enough?

You can say, yes, that is how it works according to the Bible.

My response there is to ask for any references to how well the Bible warns human beings (assuming that it is worth the effort to warn evil people about anything) about The Deceiver, and please help me by reporting Biblical references concerning exactly how powerful The Deceiver can be when The Deceiver works to reach the goal of deceiving the people targeted with deception.

Loving darkness as we all are, presumably, wouldn't our fault then be a loving of charity too: giving, helping, too much, a greedy desire for better life for ourselves, and our children, and then the deceiver dangles a counterfeit version of that good life, that Liberty, in front of us, false advertizements, false fronts, lies, deceptions, and hidden behind are the threats of violence, and the violence, and so the fault, this loving of darkness turns out to be merely innocence itself?

We trust the signs to be true, and that is the full measure of our "love of darkness"?

Sure, I'm wrong, I get that often. I know that, trust that, and that is why I keep asking questions.

"They are words of faith and trust in the God of Israel. She KNEW that God had given their land to the Israelites. I know that God did that too."

I think we circled this dragon and never found common ground, never measuring the same thing, as if you saw one thing, and I saw something entirely different.

What exactly is an "Israelite"?

1.
Genetic make up
2.
Common belief
3.
Common tradition
4.
Common accurate perception of the facts
5.
Any combination of factors determining an "Israelite" from a non "Israelite".

"This is what I know."

I am not confident in knowing much, and certainly less confident in knowing how to resolve the contradictions I perceive to be contradictions, offered to you, since my repeated attempts to ask God, or Jesus, or anyone for help is not specific enough to resolve those specific contradictions. Perhaps you can help resolve those contradictions that I see: expressed above.

God appears to tell me that I will be helped by God if I help other people, as far as I can tell, that is the memos I get, and furthermore, as far as I can tell, God says that I have to listen to other people if I will then be in a position to help other people, and that is how God will help me, in any case so far.

I think it is poor, or powerless, for me to believe that human beings love darkness. I don't love darkness, unless I'm deceiving myself, and that can be the case, but why does that possibility sound so horrible, and terrifying, and bad, and dark, and foreboding to me, if I love darkness so much?

Joe