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But there is a complete contradiction between the statist nature of many of these conspiracies, and having libertarian discussions.

Bingo. I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of how our government could possibly be simultaneously bloated and incompetent and able to pull off a massive false-flag attack without the truth eventually leaking out, just like it did with Watergate, Iran Contra, and the Pentagon Papers.

In their rush to chase after the latest "false flag," people are losing sight of the OPEN conspiracy to erode our liberties and debase our currency that happens every single day.

I don't play, I commission the league.