Submitted by Josf on Mon, 02/04/2013 - 07:45. Permalink
"I do not think to obey or not to obey is a false choice."
I hold up my hand at that point and ask for a moment of clarification.
The obedience I was speaking about had to do with man-kind enforcing Might Makes Right upon their fellow man-kind. I should have understood that your viewpoint would not discriminate the difference between the real, genuine, authority (natural, common, or God's) and the man-kind upon man-kind counterfeit version of Black and White, go or no go, obey or suffer, which I did not explain in the last set of words I offered in discussion.
So, I see a need to back track, and add to the symbols of English words, to avoid miscommunication:
"Not just Obey (black) or Obey (White) which is not a choice because it is a false choice, it is the same path, it is the Myopic path, having nothing to do with internal power to choose."
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
That is the Black or White false choice intended to be conveyed without miscommunication, and without confusing that Obey or Obey without question False Choice with any other concept, or reality, such as Natural Law (you stare at the sun and you will be held accountable for staring at the sun), or common law, or God's Law.
"And we serve who ever we obey. So we either have God for Master or the Devil for Master. It is a choice, and it is not grey."
To me, and I hope to you some day, there is an automatic understanding gained through training, to avoid confusing False with Genuine authority. I try not to do so, and so I don't always assume that someone else does not do so too. I was not making references (Black and White) with clear, unmistakable, real, genuine, actual, accurate, meaningful, productive, moral, life sustaining, authority, at all. My references had to do with a person, which is a power, finding a fork in the road, and a sign that says run as fast as you can to glory (and this path is The Crusades, The Inquisition, End Times, World War III), and another path that says run as fast as you can to glory (and this path is Civil War, Crime made legal, violent rebellion, total destruction as fast as possible too), and therefore the author of the two signs are authorities of destruction, the one, and the same, the only, the myopic, blind obedience to falsehood without question. At that fork in the road, the travelers are being divided, and the two paths momentarily spread apart, because that is what the authority writing the signs has constructed, and then the paths converge into a hell on earth.
Obey
That is the context of my Black and White words: not to be confused with a life sustaining authority that says: "If you stare at the sun, you will injure your power to see."
Common sense stuff.
I'm not attacking the return to scripture, as I rather like scripture, I'm just saying: "I didn't mean to confuse real authority with false authority, and in fact my intent was to point out how false authority is exactly what it is, not what it is not."
A path in the road that is either/or, can be compared in this way to a transistor that is if/then.
If the signs in that fork in the road lead to the same false glory which is accurately measurable as being two roads that lead to the same destruction, then, invent a better path.
If/then, in that case, is measurably more creative than either/or.
That was the intended point.
"We obey either God or the Devil."
And if we obey God, then we aught not keep sending our power to false Gods in the form of "Federal Reserve Notes" on "Tax Returns" and children, the next generation, in uniforms to "Spread Democracy (lies, torture, and mass murder)" - it seems to me.
John 15:12 KJV
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Comment: Cutting in
Cutting in
"I do not think to obey or not to obey is a false choice."
I hold up my hand at that point and ask for a moment of clarification.
The obedience I was speaking about had to do with man-kind enforcing Might Makes Right upon their fellow man-kind. I should have understood that your viewpoint would not discriminate the difference between the real, genuine, authority (natural, common, or God's) and the man-kind upon man-kind counterfeit version of Black and White, go or no go, obey or suffer, which I did not explain in the last set of words I offered in discussion.
So, I see a need to back track, and add to the symbols of English words, to avoid miscommunication:
"Not just Obey (black) or Obey (White) which is not a choice because it is a false choice, it is the same path, it is the Myopic path, having nothing to do with internal power to choose."
I was making reference to this (for one example):
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amend...
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
That is the Black or White false choice intended to be conveyed without miscommunication, and without confusing that Obey or Obey without question False Choice with any other concept, or reality, such as Natural Law (you stare at the sun and you will be held accountable for staring at the sun), or common law, or God's Law.
"And we serve who ever we obey. So we either have God for Master or the Devil for Master. It is a choice, and it is not grey."
To me, and I hope to you some day, there is an automatic understanding gained through training, to avoid confusing False with Genuine authority. I try not to do so, and so I don't always assume that someone else does not do so too. I was not making references (Black and White) with clear, unmistakable, real, genuine, actual, accurate, meaningful, productive, moral, life sustaining, authority, at all. My references had to do with a person, which is a power, finding a fork in the road, and a sign that says run as fast as you can to glory (and this path is The Crusades, The Inquisition, End Times, World War III), and another path that says run as fast as you can to glory (and this path is Civil War, Crime made legal, violent rebellion, total destruction as fast as possible too), and therefore the author of the two signs are authorities of destruction, the one, and the same, the only, the myopic, blind obedience to falsehood without question. At that fork in the road, the travelers are being divided, and the two paths momentarily spread apart, because that is what the authority writing the signs has constructed, and then the paths converge into a hell on earth.
Obey
That is the context of my Black and White words: not to be confused with a life sustaining authority that says: "If you stare at the sun, you will injure your power to see."
Common sense stuff.
I'm not attacking the return to scripture, as I rather like scripture, I'm just saying: "I didn't mean to confuse real authority with false authority, and in fact my intent was to point out how false authority is exactly what it is, not what it is not."
A path in the road that is either/or, can be compared in this way to a transistor that is if/then.
If the signs in that fork in the road lead to the same false glory which is accurately measurable as being two roads that lead to the same destruction, then, invent a better path.
If/then, in that case, is measurably more creative than either/or.
That was the intended point.
"We obey either God or the Devil."
And if we obey God, then we aught not keep sending our power to false Gods in the form of "Federal Reserve Notes" on "Tax Returns" and children, the next generation, in uniforms to "Spread Democracy (lies, torture, and mass murder)" - it seems to me.
John 15:12 KJV
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joe
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