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"Why would I want to listen to a fool?"

To find a possible way to help a fool see the exactness of what makes him, or her, a fool.

To help.

"How many millions have been murdered trying to achieve economic equality?"

No, that is a lie, those people have no desire for anything but destruction. They claim to want this or that, but the proof of what they want is in what they get.

"“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

From someone in the East, it may be odd for them to see US doing all the wrong things that they did, when in fact, we are not following the same exact script.

What is the wrong of it?

What is the right of it?

Is there a way to find out?

"Why would I want to listen to a fool?"

Is that called separatism, prejudice, censorship, or is there a more accurate word for that process exemplified by that sentence? Economy?

Political economy?

If the person is told that God is behind all this torture and mass murder visited upon you, because you deserve it, and that particular person has done no one any harm, ever, as far as anyone has ever told them, as far as any evidence exists, then what is the logical conclusion based upon the available evidence as to what is, precisely, this God?

Torture and mass murder of the innocent?

I don't know, but I'm more than willing to listen, as much as I am willing to listen to anyone with a Bible knocking on my door - in fact. When I'm told that God is evicting the natives who have lived on a piece of Real Estate, and crushing them if they don't obey without question, then I'm going to question that God too.

Is that not healthy, to at least listen, and then decide, rather than prejudge based upon what may be another example of miscommunication?

You can proceed as you wish, of course, and that is fine with me, more power to you, but for me I desperately want to hear more from people in Russia, and China, or North Korea for that matter, one on one, so as to have the power in my hands, to ask vital questions, and to then find accurate answers even if the answer is silence.

"Purge, Purge, Purge until all that is left are the very lowest and very powerless left so that they cannot rise against their oppressors?"

That is the bait and switch routine.

Purge or pogrom is done, and it is called economic equality.

So what is it?

What is on the table?

Economic equality or a pile of tortured corpses?

If it is a pile of tortured corpses, then it is a pile of tortured corpses, and if the sign placed on the pile of tortured corpses is "Economic Equality", then someone is lying, and the liar knows it is a lie. What does that leave?

1. Liar (knows it is a lie)
2. Pile of tortured corpses
3. Fill in the blank

"Equality sounds like a pipe dream and one that has been used for extremely evil purposes. That is what I think."

Because you refuse to listen you may not see how someone in Russia has been told a whole different set of lies that include, hey, here you go, this is "Capitalism", coming to a theater near you, we give you Uncle Joe, to save you from the other guy with the mustache, just how good is our version of capitalism, hold on, wait for it, 20 million dead later, and that counts up only the ones ordered to be "equal", and then we get our capitalism?

Do you know what the so called "capitalists" did to Russia in the time period after the supposed "collapse" of the supposed "communism"?

The supposed "capitalists" took everything not nailed down, and then took the nails, and then took the things that were nailed down, and that is a familiar routine.

So, and I'm guessing, since I'm only hearing hearsay, that an average Joe working in Russia, nice guy, nice gal, honest, hard working, a net producer, has an two choices, and this may sound familiar, evil choice A, and evil choice B, for some odd reason.

Evil choice A is involuntary flavor A.

Evil choice B is involuntary flavor B.

And then, out of the blue, there may be one in a million Russians, like one in a million Americans, who say, wait a minute, why not try a voluntary flavor of some competitive nature,call it flavor of the month, or call it anything you want, just don't resort to more lies, I've had enough of it, and don't resort to more threats of violence, had enough of that too, and don't resort to more violence, same deal, I can't afford any more of it.

"In situ is a Latin phrase that translates literally to 'In position'."

Got it, and thanks for the help: sometimes I'm helpless.

"Socialism refers to an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy."

Someone unable to recognize how those words are false, and false on purpose is a danger to Liberty. Imagine picking 12 people for a Jury, done randomly, and having all 12 people thinking that THINGS can be held accountable for the actions of people.

I hope this guy is on a Jury if I ever need one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dhXPl...

"That does not mean you have to think them, but I don’t have to think what you think either."

In context the concept of actually listening to about half the population of the world, just in case they may have validity to exist, might be a step in the direction of preventing World War III. If they use the word socialism to mean Crime made Legal, then we can share that, since we use the word Capitalism to mean Crime made Legal too, depending upon who you ask, and then there is the possibility that some of those people in the East have the understanding that Socialism, as a tool, not a responsible THING, not a THING that can be held to account for things done by people, but the tool, has been used to find out that no THING can ever be the source of authority and therefore no individual person can ever be subjected to a THING, and therefore we are all equal in POWER according to any LAW. In other words: the power of authority is no more a THING commanded by you, as it is a THING commanded by the head Capitalist in America named Barack Obama, or Ben Bernanke, or whoever is actually pulling the strings on the POWER in America which is, as far as any person on the planet is concerned, a capitalist POWER.

But of course, the enemy is doubly enemy because of the labels and the misunderstandings, the lies, placed upon the enemy by who?

Not only does this enemy claim to be responsible and accountable for all the wrongs done by every criminal calling themselves socialists, in your mind, I'm guessing again, but not only that, this person is an agent of the devil because God is unknown to this person in any way shape or form whatsoever: completely helpless on top of being absolutely dangerous?

Just how perfect can deception get, if you were seeking the goal of pushing half the population of the world into violent conflict with the other half?

"I also think that since criminals like to use the power by voluntary socialists to achieve their criminal power and them oust them, that it would be a good idea not to use their terminology:"

Of course, and the same is true for someone looking from the East to the West, as those voluntary capitalists (federalists) have their power stolen by False Federalists (Nationalists) to get elected and then voluntary government is ousted and replaced with Crime made Legal.

I see it.

"So now that is part of my understanding. But I still think what I think. People do not think of voluntary socialism as far as I know. They think of criminal socialism."

The point I hope to transfer to you intact is the point at which you imagine someone almost exactly like you living in Russia, or China, and the only difference is the labels used, and that person is as reluctant to listen to anything you have to say, as you are reluctant to hear what they have to say, because of the deception employed by those who profit by deception which is the cover for violence, which is, in one word: evil.

"What good did it do?"

Here is my point exactly. What good did it do?

Here again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dhXPl...

The Bill of Rights

No resistance, no Bill of Rights.

We can't know what would have happened without a Bill of Rights.

We can guess.

The point is that a person in the East could be working toward an East version of a Bill of Rights, some resistance to the moves toward abject belief in falsehood without question, and that person may be pointing to this conversation right here, and what is the fruit of that labor?

No, stupid, see how they are in the West, their viewpoint is the only one according to them, they do not listen, ever, all they do is command obedience, and that is false, we are all free individuals when none of those dictators are allowed to exist, so we need to dress up our children, or get on our own uniforms, and we need to listen to our own leaders, and we need to fight the good fight against those bad guys.

Does that sound at all familiar?

"The criminals are expert at mass mind control. That is what causes “mob” rule."

You can call it "mob" rule, and thanks for using quotes, but I prefer to call it blind obedience to falsehood without question. I think too few words do not convey accurate meaning as too many words can also accomplish the same goal, if it is the goal, to deceive.

"They are trying to do that will gun control right now. We are watching a crime in progress. Democracy is fine. Let us all vote. That is great. But the question is: Who is going to count the votes and for how long until the criminals who perpetrate crime because that is what they do begin their routine?"

If there is a Bakunin type "individualist" (one word does not convey accurate meaning) listening, from the East, then it is possible, in my imagination, for that person to read that quote above, and in those words a bridge can be built, a shaky one, but none-the-less a common ground of some kind: understood.

"And yes, it is hard for me to let go of the Father of Our Country not being who I have been told he was my whole life. And I am not sure what I think because I am not studied in history so anything anyone tells me can be believed by me because I do not know any better."

Again the point exactly. Someone in the East may know more about America's dirty laundry than you do, and the opposite might be true, whereupon someone in the East has Stalin (hard to believe) placed upon a pedestal.

Why is it hard to believe?

Why is what hard to believe?

George Washington told a lie?

Who said such a thing, that person needs to be sent to prison?

What were The Alien and Sedition Acts?

Are those same Acts returning to a theater near you?

Do you think, maybe, someone in Russia may have a heads up, a few words of advice, as to where Americans are being herded because Americans refuse to listen to anything other than abject belief in falsehood without question?

Maybe, just maybe, someone in Russia might listen, and might think twice about belief in falsehood without question if offered a competitive viewpoint, such as Trial by Jury based upon sortition, or a Democratic Federated Republic based upon a strict voluntary policy of only paying for only what is requested and no more - ever?

"And I will try to remember that that is what we are talking about. Maybe we should start each comment with those words so my mind remembers what we are talking about instead of seeing red."

That is where I had hopped to get some real help from a Bakunin type representative of collectivist anarchism. I do not reason out that path, since I am in the "West" (so called) and I see things more along the lines of capitalism, or economic investment, you know power used to make more power, as a competitive process compared to power being used to steal power. That is a capitalist based viewpoint. I don't get the collectivist viewpoint. It is rumor to me.

Even the family does not make much sense to me. How can I profit from the family? I have to think it out, it does not come naturally. I'm all about me, and all about what I can do to benefit me, that type of upbringing.

So collectivism is foreign. I have not read much of Bakunin. I've read Mises, Rothbard, Spooner, Carl Hess, Warren, and Andrews is about as close as I've gotten to socialism.

But seriously, thing about it, again, a collection plate in church, that is collectivism. An insurance policy is collectivism. A bank is collectivism. A corporation funded by stock shares is collectivism. Individuals, in each case, transfer power to one fund, one collection. So if everyone is doing it, then why does everyone hate it so much?

Someone may be able to fit a few pieces into places where all there is are questions.

"Perhaps love is the only way to achieve individual sovereignty?"

It makes sense to me. What is left when resort to lies, threats, and violence upon the innocent are no longer tolerated or employed for any false reason?

Joe