Comment: Not so fast on Gotcha - please

"Our Government is supposed to be voluntary and is to an extent."

That is factually incorrect, or patently false, or merely inaccurate.

In point of fact the Consolidated government is strictly involuntary by design, so what explains your word choices?

I can ask, please.

What explains your word choices that are demonstrably false?

These words:

"Our Government is supposed to be voluntary and is to an extent."

Evidence:

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/elliot/vol3/...

Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers that it is a national government, and no longer a Confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the general government laying direct taxes.

That quote goes on to offer more evidence.

George Mason, and many others, were not necessarily discrediting consolidation (collectivism) at the State level, as in to say collect up all the defensive power of all the families, all the towns, all the counties, inside the boarders of this consolidated government known as a State, and employ that collected power strictly for the uses enumerated in the State Constitution in this present Free Market of Government working presently on this Continent as we, in Virginia, offer potential tax payers a better government than our competitors to the north, and to the south.

George Mason may prop himself up as a much more benevolent dictator than any other, in that market, and as one, more or less, he is more or less in an authoritative position to call a spade a spade, being one.

Hey, look what those guys are doing there, they are taking over the whole enchilada. Where once there was a Free Market of competitive governors dueling for Top Spot and seeking volunteers to join the best that money can buy, where once competition in free market government reigned supreme, those guys are usurping that Liberty, those guys are Consolidating our State Sovereignty.

Is that not understandable?

Is that not this:

"Our Government is supposed to be voluntary and is to an extent."

Does it depend upon who you ask?

Hey, Alexander, ahhhh, yea you, Mr. Hamilton: is it voluntary or not?

You designed the thing, so what is it?

Is it this:

"Our Government is supposed to be voluntary and is to an extent."

If the answer were true, then the answer would be something along the lines of sure, as voluntary as you want, so long as I get my Central Bank that works Nation Wide?

Is it this:

"Our Government is supposed to be voluntary and is to an extent."

If you ask George Washington?

His answer is this:

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/whiskey/...

And whereas, it is in my judgment necessary under the circumstances of the case to take measures for calling forth the militia in order to suppress the combinations aforesaid, and to cause the laws to be duly executed; and I have accordingly determined so to do, feeling the deepest regret for the occasion, but withal the most solemn conviction that the essential interests of the Union demand it, that the very existence of government and the fundamental principles of social order are materially involved in the issue, and that the patriotism and firmness of all good citizens are seriously called upon, as occasions may require, to aid in the effectual suppression of so fatal a spirit;

Therefore, and in pursuance of the proviso above recited, I. George Washington, President of the United States, do hereby command all persons, being insurgents, as aforesaid, and all others whom it may concern, on or before the 1st day of September next to disperse and retire peaceably to their respective abodes. And I do moreover warn all persons whomsoever against aiding, abetting, or comforting the perpetrators of the aforesaid treasonable acts; and do require all officers and other citizens, according to their respective duties and the laws of the land, to exert their utmost endeavors to prevent and suppress such dangerous proceedings.

Quotes abound

How about if John Adams is asked if it is or is not voluntary?

http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/Alien.html

"These laws were designed to silence and weaken the Democratic-Republican Party."

What is this:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amend...

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

What is this:

"Our Government is supposed to be voluntary and is to an extent."

That is demonstrably false.

"There is no way to stop crime, only a way to discourage it by providing negative incentives to commit crime or encourage not committing crime with positive incentives."

I disagree strongly. Stop paying criminals so well and crime will not pay so well, and what happens?

1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home.

I think that stops a lot of criminals in their tracks.

"Now that I further understand your beliefs I would call you a voluntarism supporter."

Now that you claim to understand my viewpoints, I'm asking if your claims are based upon facts?

When Waco was going on, in real time, as in Reality Television. I'll never forget that moment when the "reporter" reported how the "cultists" in the "compound" where "killing themselves" as military tanks with flame throwers drove through a church full of babies, kids, teenagers, young women, women, boys, young men, men, old women, and old men, slaughtering them, after torturing them.

At that time I was working much overtime, hard labor, raising a family, and at that time a lady, girl scout (ha, ha, ha,) was organizing an armed march on Washington. I signed up on the phone. I have since purchased an M1 Garand rifle through the Division of Civilian Marksmanship, a government agency, but I had, and still have, a second one at that time.

The idea is to prove to the criminals that the victims have had enough, and that the victims are too powerful for the criminals to even think about victimizing again, to be a defensive deterrent against lies, threats, and violence.

Things didn't pan out with Linda Thomson, so later I tried running for congress. Since then I think I have an accurate, competitive, perspective on what I am.

"Now that I further understand your beliefs I would call you a voluntarism supporter."

So...what does your name calling have to do with me?

Are you judging me?

I'm here to compete. There are forces, which can be called Counter-Revolutionary-Forces, deceiving, threatening, and violently removing Revolutionary Forces in our time.

A competitive method of going the other way ought to be recognized in time to avoid further "progress" toward absolute despotism in America.

A Democratic Federated Republican form of Free Market, Voluntary, Competitive Government works as intended, proven in cases where it works as intended, including that time period between 1776 and 1788, if anyone cared to look and learn.

Then this won't be so common an error:

"Our Government is supposed to be voluntary and is to an extent."

No, that is false, the false Federal Government is merely Crime made legal by Criminals and adding to that power of crime is a crime, so it may be past time to stop paying those criminals so well for being such good criminals.