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Not complicated

The Events that became known as The Civil War were simply crime.

The only reason why those events are supposedly complicated is falsehood, as the victims of those crimes are led to believe that those crimes are legitimate, moral, or in any way anything other than crimes.

In other words, if an observer can understand how crime is made legal then an observer can understand why the criminals have to destroy as much power as in necessary to keep the criminal power powerful.

What would government, which is called the law power, be if it was not criminal?

If the observer cannot even begin to answer the question just asked, then the observe cannot even begin to answer the questions asked as a discussion Topic.

1.
What would government, which is called the law power, be if it was not criminal?

2.
Was Lincoln a righteous man or a tyrant?

3.
What were the original reasons for the US going into the Civil War?

A non-criminal government allows volunteers to volunteer and a non-criminal government allows volunteers to stop being volunteers.

If you do not understand how that works, then you cannot answer the questions.

I can call upon two people to help explain how voluntary government works.

1. Patrick Henry
2. George Mason

Example 1:

"I conceived the republic to be in extreme danger. If our situation be thus uneasy, whence has arisen this fearful jeopardy? It arises from this fatal system; it arises from a proposal to change our government—a proposal that goes to the utter annihilation of the most solemn engagements of the states—a proposal of establishing nine states into a confederacy, to the eventual exclusion of four states. It goes to the annihilation of those solemn treaties we have formed with foreign nations."

Example 2:

"Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers that it is a national government, and no longer a Confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the general government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes does, of itself, entirely change the confederation of the states into one consolidated government."

A Democratic Federated Government allows volunteers to join, and so does a Despotic (Criminal) Government.

What about getting out of the "Union" if the "Union" is despotic?

If the "Union" is despotic, it is criminal, and that was the warnings offered by those who saw behind the false front of The Constitution.

The victims are told that we are all one happy family of non-slaves, when the criminals take over, and that is as simple as any potential victim, ever, any human being ever alive at any time, seeing past an obvious, measurable, LIE.

I read someone respond in this thread claiming that Lincoln was the first "president" (Dictator) to draft military soldiers or some such wording. Is that true?

No.

The Dictator who seizes the power to kidnap and then force the victims to perpetrate violent acts upon the innocent is not called a "Draft", it is called crime, and it is crime made legal, and Lincoln was not the first Dictator in America to do that, since George Washington was the first Dictator in America and that is what George did when he managed to join forces with his fellow criminals - all nice and legal.

How about "in his own" words? How about in his own "official" words?

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/whiskey/...

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And whereas, by a law of the United States entitled "An act to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions," it is enacted that whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed in any state by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings or by the powers vested in the marshals by that act, the same being notified by an associate justice or the district judge, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations and to cause the laws to be duly executed. And if the militia of a state, when such combinations may happen, shall refuse or be insufficient to suppress the same, it shall be lawful for the President, if the legislature of the United States shall not be in session, to call forth and employ such numbers of the militia of any other state or states most convenient thereto as may be necessary; and the use of the militia so to be called forth may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the of the ensuing session; Provided always, that, whenever it may be necessary in the judgment of the President to use the military force hereby directed to be called forth, the President shall forthwith, and previous thereto, by proclamation, command such insurgents to disperse and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within a limited time;

And whereas, James Wilson, an associate justice, on the 4th instant, by writing under his hand, did from evidence which had been laid before him notify to me that "in the counties of Washington and Allegany, in Pennsylvania, laws of the United States are opposed and the execution thereof obstructed by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings or by the powers vested in the marshal of that district";

And whereas, it is in my judgment necessary under the circumstances of the case to take measures for calling forth the militia in order to suppress the combinations aforesaid, and to cause the laws to be duly executed; and I have accordingly determined so to do, feeling the deepest regret for the occasion, but withal the most solemn conviction that the essential interests of the Union demand it, that the very existence of government and the fundamental principles of social order are materially involved in the issue, and that the patriotism and firmness of all good citizens are seriously called upon, as occasions may require, to aid in the effectual suppression of so fatal a spirit;

Therefore, and in pursuance of the proviso above recited, I. George Washington, President of the United States, do hereby command all persons, being insurgents, as aforesaid, and all others whom it may concern, on or before the 1st day of September next to disperse and retire peaceably to their respective abodes. And I do moreover warn all persons whomsoever against aiding, abetting, or comforting the perpetrators of the aforesaid treasonable acts; and do require all officers and other citizens, according to their respective duties and the laws of the land, to exert their utmost endeavors to prevent and suppress such dangerous proceedings.

In testimony whereof I have caused the seal of the United States of America to be affixed to these presents, and signed the same with my hand. Done at the city of Philadelphia the seventh day of August, one thousand seven hundred and ninety- four, and of the independence of the United States of America the nineteenth.

G. WASHINGTON,
By the President, Edm. Randolph

Source: Claypoole's Daily Advertiser, August 11, 1794
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Further sources of information supporting the observable, and accurately measurable, reality of Crime having been made Legal in 1788:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Whiskey-Rebellion-Revolution-ebook...

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Proceedings-Debates-Constitutio...

http://www.amazon.com/Shayss-Rebellion-American-Revolutions-...

http://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-American-Revolution-Kentuck...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard171.html

In short, the voluntary nature (moral nature) of government was intolerable and incapable of empowering an involuntary (criminal) government POWER which must include a Legal Money Monopoly Power which is hidden behind false names such as National Debt.

Repeat:

"Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers that it is a national government, and no longer a Confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the general government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes does, of itself, entirely change the confederation of the states into one consolidated government."

States that can volunteer to join the Union can also volunteer to pay Union Dues.

States that can leave a "Union" of criminals can un-volunteer their errant behinds and stop paying anything to those criminals as they alone see fit, without having to ask permission to leave the so called "Union".

OFFICIAL EVIDENCE:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amend...

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

The criminals gave themselves the license to commit crimes and make the victims pay for it, and that is a familiar story.

It is not complicated, it is as simple as any Theme in any Gangster Movie ever made, or any bully met by any child anywhere on the planet earth.

I remember an example in my own youth, riding my bicycle through a park in Newark New Jersey, at age 10 or so, having been stopped by a bully, and the bully had a few "Lieutenants" ready to stop me and take my bike. The bully tells me to give him my bike and there is an obvious "or else" consequence for failure to obey.

I rode away.

Had I transferred the bike, which was transferred to me from the store where my parents paid the store owner some number of Federal Reserve Notes, in exchange for the bike, had I done that, the Bully could then catch me anywhere I went from that moment on, in case I happened to be wearing his shirt too, or in case I happened to be breathing his air, or in case the blood in my body happened to be his too, and he wanted all that blood back too. The lieutenants may have also taken turns on their bike, running me down, as ordered too.

How about some help from Common Sense?

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer." TP 1776

So Tom there can be forgiven for failing to see how government does not have to be an evil at all, as The Voluntary Union under The Articles of Confederation worked as a possible way to create, and maintain, a Free Market of Government Suppliers supplying government to the shoppers who demand voluntary government.

How can a simple minded former slave tell the difference between a Non Evil and an Evil government?

No one is listening?

Too stupefied by the tangled web of lies?

Again:

"Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers that it is a national government, and no longer a Confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the general government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes does, of itself, entirely change the confederation of the states into one consolidated government."

What was that "confederation of the states"?

What is that "consolidated government"?

How about an official measure?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

That is Hamilton's National Debt created by those Nationalists when they met in Philadelphia, shut the doors, enforced a Gag order on the secret proceedings, and made what became known as The Dirty Compromise, which ensured the events that became known as The Civil War.

The Monopoly North subjected the South to inequitable taxation and that was not a case of Federation, that was a case of Nationalization.

Federation is a Union of volunteer States that join, and pay Union dues at will, or secede from the voluntary Union, and of course not pay the Extortion Fees.

How does that work, by design?

The Federal (not the false federal which is national) Governors (governors are employees) have to supply what all the States (employers) demand or the Federal Employees start losing customers as States stop paying Union Dues as States choose to look for a better, higher quality, and lower cost, competitive Federal Government.

Were the Southern States truly Federated into one competitive Federal Government whereby any State in that voluntary union could secede or join at will, and pay, or not pay, Union dues at will?

Who knows, since that separate and sovereign confederation of States was invaded by an aggressive War POWER for PROFIT and those States were "volunteered" into the "voluntary" Union.

And the victims keep paying "Union" dues, or else.

Or else what?

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

That was not a civil war, it was legalized crime: war of aggression for profit, a familiar story.

Rewinding back the clock to 1794:

Generalissimo George Washington conscripted an army of "volunteers" taken from wherever George could nab them, kidnap them, within his Nation State, and then Georgie Boy invaded a Sovereign State called Pennsylvania, an aggressive war for profit, and what was the profit?

The tax on whiskey was a tax on a money competitor, as whiskey was not as good as gold, but it worked where gold was driven off (by Gresham's Law) by Hamilton's, and the Bankers Monopoly Money Pyramid Schemes. The invasion of the formerly sovereign State of Pennsylvania, by a Dictator in command of a slave army, was a war to enforce the profit of a Legal Monopoly Bank Power and the National Debt that is then made to flow into the hands of a few very POWERFUL criminals with badges that they give to themselves.

Complicated?

For dupes?

Joe