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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30fxRwkBbHc&list=PL463AA90FD0...

At time 10.00, after "leverage" Gatto begins speaking about Joe's Law, not exactly according to my formula, but the concept is communicated.

"Is not beauty in the eye of the beholder?"

I think in terms of Power, so the answer is yes for those who are criminals, thinking in terms of destructive power, as they "produce" destruction, but the answer is no if the idea is to actually produce something other than "producing" destruction. Why play with words? What is the goal?

If the idea is to produce something then where there was nothing there is something, not where once there was something now there is nothing.

"I’m not hung up on this, I am just messing around. But I think I have a point if perception exists."

And if you have a point, then it is conceivable, at least to me, that you could point it out to me. Right now, as far as I can see, there is no point, so you could, conceivably, show me that point, and then I can see something where nothing is perceived by me at the moment. Lies do not produce anything, so far as I can see, so far.

You can prove me wrong, please.

So far I still see nothing, destruction is not production.

"And of course you know, each day it is closer!"

I'm not as sure as you are as to what exactly each is closer to.

I like the part in the link on John Taylor Gatto where a quote is offered from Martin Luther "Every man his own priest."

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

And

"I believe religions has become institutionalized to harness power."

I think that doing the will of God is harness power to make power abundant, which results in "their fruits" being good life for as long as God allows it. We have the tools, we don't have to resort to deception, threats, and violence upon the innocent, so those who know better, and those who "doeth the will" required to bear "their fruits", prove the point.

Do good and what happens?

Do bad and what happens?

How is "what happens" measured?

I can't comment on what happens after life, or when souls no longer exist in human bodies because the human body dies, so I won't comment on what I can't comment on, but while souls are still in bodies there must be a process by which scarce power, not enough power to keep bodies alive, is made into abundant power, and there are two obvious ways to accomplish that task.

1. The way that does so.
3. The way that counterfeits the way that does so.

The way that does so proves out to be true, because there is more where there was less.

The way that counterfeits the way that does so is called "Leverage" by John Taylor Gatto, and that way merely moves what was made by God fearing people (hate evil) to those who steal it with deception, threats of violence, and violence.

That is my perception, and I did not have that perception fall into my lap, I know you know, but we are discussion in a Public Forum (To use without Prejudice).

I am checking back to see if I have the definition memorized correctly.

I got it wrong again. "For use without prejudice" is the definition you invented and I don't know why I change the wording, yet.

"There are many reasons people are in or not in church, and I am speaking only of Christianity, which is a way of life, not an institution."

There is a way of seeing (process) that sentence at various angles so as to make better sense of it. The example that comes to mind is Things being held accountable for the actions of people, such as an "institution" being a Thing, where no such Thing exists, because institutionalizing is a process, so there are 2 things, not one, and both "things" are processes.

1.
Counterfeiting Christianity into crimes that are hidden behind a nice sounding False Front.
2.
Christianity whereby people do good things according to scripture attributable to God and whoever God hires to deliver the messages.

Confusing the two is a part of the routine = Legal Crime.

In the Gatto history lessons there is the example of the kid who trained fleas, which is Legal Crime when legal criminals target people, as if people are fleas, and the criminals perpetrate the crime of training people as if they are fleas.

That is routine now.

Institutionalized.

"There are things in life that hold much more value than gold; things that money cannot buy: A family, friends, a home (not a house), a relationship with the Lord, going shooting with a brother, health."

Back to the history lessons fresh in my mind from Gatto, a quote from Marcus Aurelius:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xgYQM5S7as&list=PL463AA90FD0...
Time: 17:22

"Nothing you can buy is worth having and nobody you can order around with your power is worth associating with..."

"In my mind one would use something that is for use, and that in turn, would be to use something."

Legal Criminals have to remove or render power-less the capacity (power) commanded (owned) by the victims for the victims to use the power they have to make more power for themselves, failure to destroy that process (power) results inevitably in the victims commanding the power to defend themselves from all criminals including those with badges.

If you had a cost-less home, and 100 million other people, or a billion people, had cost-less homes, what is the result?

How is the result measured?

Mortgage Interest denominated in dollars?

I've run those numbers, it is roughly 13 zeros worth of power being perpetually transferred from those who produce that power to those who steal that power and use that stolen power to steal more.

Joe