Comment: "they are hardly socialist

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"they are hardly socialist

"they are hardly socialist economies like Cuba, North Korea, the old Soviet Union"

Those are/were communist, not socialist. Socialism is a slow way to reach communism. And both terms SHOULD be pejorative words. They mean taken by force what doesn't belong to you and minimizes the amount of freedom individuals have.

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