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To offer more information on those perspectives please consider the original Equitable Commerce by Josiah Warren here:

http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf

Stephen Pearl Andrew's whose association to Warren is, in a sense, in between Warren and Benjamin Tuckers here:

http://www.anarchism.net/scienceofsociety.htm

Wherein it is reported that the use of Socialism (study and application of science upon solving the problems of society) led to one demonstrable fact of which voluntary associations work toward peace and prosperity and involuntary associations work toward war and destitution.

In Andrews words:

"What, then, if this be so, is this common element? In what great feature are Protestantism, Democracy, and Socialism identical? I will answer this interrogatory first, and demonstrate the answer afterward. Protestantism, Democracy, and Socialism are identical in the assertion of the Supremacy of the Individual,--a dogma essentially contumacious, revolutionary, and antagonistic to the basic principles of all the older institutions of society, which make the Individual subordinate and subject to the Church, to the State, and to Society respectively. Not only is this supremacy or SOVEREIGNTY OF THE INDIVIDUAL, a common element of all three of these great modern movements, but I will make the still more sweeping assertion that it is substantially the whole of those movements. It is not merely a feature, as I have just denominated it, but the living soul itself, the vital energy, the integral essence or being of them all."

Supposedly the person Andrews published a book titled The History of Socialism, which could, conceivably, help dispel the validity of the State Socialism Falsehoods (frauds).

One (voluntary socialism) is a far from the other as is productivity as far from absolute abject belief in falsehood without question.

There is (but I lost the link) a very good explanation on the errors of Proudon (and by extension refutation of Marxism?) by Benjamin Tucker, which leaves Warren still standing, and conspicuously ignored.

Here are text version of Benjamin Tucker explaining the terminology evolution.

http://praxeology.net/BT-SSA.htm

"Then will be seen an exemplification of the words of Richard Cobden that, when two laborers are after one employer, wages fall, but when two employers are after one laborer, wages rise. Labor will then be in a position to dictate its wages, and will thus secure its natural wage, its entire product."

OH MY! "We" can't have that kind of competition, ohhhhh noooooo!

Note: The Audio version of State Socialism and Anarchism:
HOW FAR THEY AGREE, AND WHEREIN THEY DIFFER (1888)
by Benjamin R. Tucker (1854-1939) is missing the following sentence:

"Proudhon scoffed at this distinction between capital and product."

Without that sentence included the paragraph can be heard as if Marx was credited with words credited to Proudhon, which is probably not the intention by Tucker.

Marx the Authoritarian went one way (Involuntary Association), Proudhon went the other way (Liberty or voluntary association), according to Benjamin R. Tucker. Warren wrote Equitable Commerce, tested the concept, and it works.

Joe