"Not exactly that, my thinking is that the message in the link was good, in the sense that the speaker points out the wrong of holding the position of spiritual guidance, and not doing it, sure that is good, but to then say that contraception is evil, because I say so, to me is like the Pot calling the kettle black."
I don't understand all of the Catholic doctrine concerning contraception. My understanding of Catholic contraception is to use the Rhythm Method for family planning instead of any manmade devices or chemicals or hormones.
I think that the use of contraception and baby formula were used to liberate women from being barefoot and pregnant. I also think that it undermined society and family life as a whole.
I look at the Amish. They have very large families. I look at them from a woman’s point of view. The girls help their mother and they learn to be a mother. The older children help care for younger siblings and then those younger siblings in turn help care for the children of their siblings. It is a circle of learned family. The boys work with their fathers. The children only go to school to 8th grade. I do not imagine that their childhood is extended into adulthood.
I think women were sold a lie. If we were created as natural care-givers and then that was taken from us to “free” us to go into the workforce to whose advantage is that? I saw a post were you were speaking with someone about 2 laborers for every employer or 2 employers for every laborer. Just what happened when the workforce doubled? Families can no longer make it comfortably on a single income. Why?
As far as contraception, the birth control pill can impede implantation of a fertilized egg. So then, if one believes life begins at conception. What happens when a fertilized egg finds the environment too hostile to implant? I think if “we” Christians really trusted God with our lives, we would trust his word that says:
Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. 4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. 5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.
Which begs the question: If children are a reward from the Lord, who would want to steel that reward?
I think the Catholic church has contraception right. It is unfortunate that Protestants in their liberation have figured out how to short cut the size family.
Reproduction was so important that the deed was given to a brother to give a widow an heir. And the Lord killed the guy that did not fulfill the obligation:
Genesis 38:6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
“What is the beef? Reproduction is good, so get rid of contraception, where is the orgy, and call me anything but don't call me late for the orgy?”
• Hebrews 13:4 KJV
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Reproduction within a marriage between a man and a woman is the guideline given in Scripture. Anything outside of marriage is sin.
• 1 Corinthians 6:18 KJV
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
"Sure, I get it too, from The Bible, that is where the word of God is found, but again, who is doing the interpreting?"
I Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Scripture is no one’s private interpretation or opinion. Scripture is to by studied and scripture is to be used to interpret scripture.
“I am going to call you on that merely for clarification. Do you mean "society" as a list of names, or do you mean "society" as a thing unto itself, a single entity, and therefore a responsible and accountable single entity to be blamed and punished as one thing?”
I think the list of names is what makes up society. The list of names, each choosing a course of action sets the course of “society” as a whole. If 35% of the people in my neighborhood decide to make meth and/or use it, then the makeup of my neighborhood will have that as a characteristic which will include all of the death, blown up houses, burned up people, abused children and ruined lives that making and using meth leaves in the wake.
Individuals make up society. Just like a bunch of ingredients make cookies. Each is independent of the other, but when mixed together the product is a combination of the parts.
Maybe you could listen to this: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/2-peter/3-audio.html words here: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/2-peter/3.html
“Most people I meet are good, they think good things, they act in good ways, almost universally, despite the fact that their brains have been washed to a point of power-less-ness when thinking and acting in defense of liberty; which is thinking and acting in defense against Legal Crime.
How stupid can good people be made into, as otherwise good people are made into counterfeit devils by a very few very evil people?
If my viewpoint is wrong, then I sure could use some help finding out exactly where my viewpoint is wrong.”
Look here at this 1 page list of how the word "ungodly" is used in the New Testament:
The ungodly: http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=ungodly&c=nt&t=kjv&...
We are all sinners. You and I have spoken about that. So then, when we look at those that do evil among us is it the pot calling the kettle black? There is none among the human race, save Jesus Christ, who can go to heaven on their own merit.
• Isaiah 64:6 KJV
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away .
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Luke 18: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray ; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying , God be merciful to me a sinner.14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased ; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted
One man was “moral” and justified in his own eyes, the other knew he was a sinner and asked for mercy. Outward morality is not a reflection of God’s forgiveness.
So then, why did Jesus say this?
• Matthew 5:20 KJV
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus says we have to be more righteous than those that follow the letter of the law.
Yes, Joe, there is evil afoot and some of it is supernatural. But anyone who is not born of God belongs to the devil.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.