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Sorry, I missed this yesterday

“One thing I was told during my lifetime was that in America there are no debtors prisons. Now I hear that Student loan borrowers are being offered a Tour of Duty in The Criminally Led U.S. Military, or a Tour of Duty in The Criminally Led U.S. Gulag that is so often fraudulently labeled with such False Front LIES as "Correctional Institution".”

Contrast that to the GI Bill where soldiers had the benefit of paid college after service. The criminal reverse being student loans with interest, graduating at a time when America is being busted and one has the “opportunity” to work off their government debt by fighting government wars…or by sitting in privately funded prisons for profit.

“How far from equity can We The People get, when power is being made scarce for the fun and profit of a few at the expense of all those earners who can start the day with less power and end the day with more power?
How powerful is knowledge?
How powerful is accurate communication?
What is money?”

I posted a video to the Liberty Day Challenge comment titled “Elephants and Tape Worms.” The video is a very rationally speaking woman named Catherine Austin Fitts. I think she offers some steps to change things around abit, or at least reserve and conserve and grow power locally. If you have time, it is an hour long, I think it is well worth the listen. It is not hard listening, but I have listened 2 times and am getting Jeff to listen to it. We made it 25 minutes before he nodded off :) To me she presents:

Powerful knowledge, accurate communication, as well as a discussion on money economy. The only reason I listened to it was because it was on the top of the front page of the DP and I decided to click on it and I am glad I did. I think she hammers home a lot of what you have been saying to me. I actually think a plan of action would be to have a viewing of the interview in each town to wake people up. She does not have the entertainment value of Alex Jones or Gerald Celente or Jesse Ventura, but I found myself wanting to hear and understand every word. I think she is someone that would appeal to all audiences and could perhaps get the message to some that would not hear otherwise.

You ask:

“How powerful is knowledge?
How powerful is accurate communication?
What is money?”

Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulucJnxT7B4

I think perhaps they are all one in the same: currency or power

“Have you ever spoken with a criminal and realized how they think?”

I didn’t even fully understand criminals until dialoging with you. In my mind a criminals was the standard robber or sexual deviant. I was glad to never have run into any of them. Really though, I am pretty sheltered so I haven’t run into the criminal mind and realized it. However, now I see it evidenced around me with eyes wide open. I hear criminals speak all the time now. But so far, I don’t have the occasion to have a conversation with any. But now I think of my grandfather who forced my grandmother to cook his breakfast while she was in labor before he would take her to the doctor. And I think of him telling me about how when he owned a gas station and pulled people out of the snow and they wouldn’t pay up, he would push their car back into the snow, and he said it like it was an OK thing for him to have done. I remember being surprised when I heard him speak that way and it hurt inside to hear him say he treated people like that.

“Your work is the work of a non-criminal mind, despite all the forces that work on you to turn you into a fellow criminal, yet you persist in defending the most valuable power you have to keep you from ever being one of the criminals who think like criminals.”

I think of this passage and am quoting from memory: I beseech you therefore brethren by the mercies of God that you present your bodies a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:1-2

Being conformed to this world has a greater meaning for me. As in do not have a criminal mind. But have a mind that causes you to do the right things.
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“I think each human being has to look in the mirror first.”

When a human looks in the mirror to find evil and hate it, are you saying that we need to self-evaluate and get rid of any evil we find?
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So you are learning the Russian language now? I hear it is very difficult.
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“Is that why you asked me about a stock split when you first began talking to me?”

Oh, I thought maybe it was to test to see if I had a criminal mind or if I would naturally present an equitable split. Lol Afterall it was one of the first things you asked me to work on. So now after all this time, I look back and wonder, maybe Josf was checking to see if he was speaking to someone infected with criminal thinking.
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I AM STICKING WITH TUCKER right now because I am trying to work thru the link you gave me:

Tucker says:
“Even in so delicate a matter as that of the relations of the sexes the Anarchists do not shrink from the application of their principle. They acknowledge and defend the right of any man and woman, or any men and women, to love each other for as long or as short a time as they can, will, or may.”

God says:
• Genesis 2:24 KJV
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Cleave http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/dabaq.html :
Definition
1. to cling, stick, stay close, cleave, keep close, stick to, stick with, follow closely, join to, overtake, catch
Cleave = one flesh

Tucker:
“They [anarchist] acknowledge and defend the right of any man and woman, or any men and women, to love each other for as long or as short a time as they can, will, or may.””

Yes, Joe, you and Tucker and every other anarchist are right that every man and woman can do whatever they want ,whenever they want, however they want.

People have every right to do that which is evil and people will do that which is evil. So it is every person’s right to do evil.

Why does God not want people to do what is evil? I think you answered that question already:

“Fear of God isn't a case of a powerless being, a human being, made even more powerless because God is so scary, no, not from my position of pretended understanding, the idea here is to know that fear is to be avoided like the plague, and therefore the human being aught to know what causes it, which is that Evil stuff, the cause of fear is the Evil stuff, and where is this plague, where is this fear, where is this Evil, where it can be known in such a way as to be rendered powerless?”

God created man and woman to become one flesh. God the Creator designed man and woman to cleave to one another and be one. Man and woman can do what ever they want, but wen they do opposite of their design

• 1 Corinthians 6:18 KJV
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

So instead of Tucker saying, you know guys, the Creator created you this certain way, Tucker says, if it feels good, do it.

I have heard that line before. Satan said it:

• Genesis 3:5 KJV
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened , and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

God said these words:

• Genesis 2:17 KJV
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die .

So sure everyone has the right to do what they want and pay their own costs:

• Proverbs 16:25 KJV
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Sin will be judged:

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see , nor hear , nor walk : 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

If I know sin will be judged, why in the world would I not warn people? There was a day Joe, when the Bible was understood to be the Word of God. Today people cannot even recognize God’s Word. That does not change the fact that it is God’s Word and people who ignore it are in deep trouble. Trouble that will cost an eternity. So even though people have a right to cut their own arm off, I am not going to say that I look forward to the day when everyone does that. I am going to warn, hey, you cut your arm off and it will be gone. Oh, and by the way, those children that you and your arm made, your cost will spill over on them as well.

So, how about we promote love?

I Corinthians 13:4 (The Message) Love never gives up. Love cares more for others than for self. Love doesn't want what it doesn't have. Love doesn't strut, Doesn't have a swelled head, 5 Doesn't force itself on others, Isn't always "me first," Doesn't fly off the handle, Doesn't keep score of the sins of others, 6 Doesn't revel when others grovel, Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth, 7 Puts up with anything, Trusts God always, Always looks for the best, Never looks back, But keeps going to the end. 8 Love never dies.

• Ephesians 5:25 KJV
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

I look forward to the day when people know what love is and practice it. Love is not free. Love gives. When one does not give love they pass on the costs.

Or I could look forward to a day like Tucker when people don't understand love and pass on the costs instead.

Ephesians 5:6 KJV
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

II Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to cometo the knowledge of the truth.

I still had a couple of other issues with my Tucker reading that I wanted to go over...before moving onto the Andrews link.

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