Comment: ecard71,

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My experience so far has been, that most true libertarians would rather live in a welfare state than a warfare state, as the essence of liberty is the limitation of violence, and warfare is more directly a form of violence than welfare. However, that is never the choice. If we allow ANY government operation to initiate violence, ALL forms of government violence ensue, with all their hooks into every constituency imaginable, with everyone trying to get the biggest piece they can of an ever shrinking pie.

I really sometimes get depressed seeing a forum like the Daily Paul, which is probably in the top 1% of political websites in terms of their consistent commitment to liberty, overrun with people who are not bearing Goodwill toward others. We need to stop letting the government divide us on issues of race, ethnicity, and language. Believe me, the government is laughing all the way to the bank.