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didn't refer to govt.

didn't refer to govt. however, any collective action by a group of people that enforces its decision on even one individual who does not consent can be called government.

even the common example of a property cooperative, in which every individual voluntarily submits his person to the contract and government of the bylaws. this is a territorial monopoly of force by the governing authority. even if anyone can leave the contract at will (not true aboard ship or on the old wagon trains which were voluntary contracts), the child coming to legal maturity in the territory never contractually consented to the laws. so you're back to square one: a legal territorial monopoly which offers the same option as any government: follow the laws or leave the territory.

we have to have some delineation between mere government and the state.

there will always be government. the state is something different. i would define the state as something that has become omnipotent beyond mere law and order by taking over things like the education, making money public fiat, claiming the right of the draft, the right of capital and price controls, and which generally endeavors to be the only institution in society of any import, besides the individual.

its not a perfect definition... but that is the modern state, the total state. its very different than something like the limited monarchy of earlier times, which recognized a whole civil society of potent institutions that organized the social life with minimal interference. the state has always claimed the right to tax and the right to use force. what makes today's state unique is that it has a built in incentive to grow and multiply, its budget its personnel, its functions, etc. there for it has to take aim at every sub state network or institution that serves any function the state can take over.

even today we don't have a total state. there are elements of social power besides the state and the individual; the corporation for one. they may all work together but the state is not total yet. and in any case, every form of society, with or without a total state, will be organized and controlled by minority or elite.

so when i say social or political framework, what i mean is the process in reverse. walking back the state the same way it walked forward. it grew by destroying and replacing institutions and taking their function. to roll it back you have to enable those functions, at least the necessary ones, to be provided adequately and competently by some more local or direct governing body or for that matter by a voluntary organization.