I've used this idea in some arguments before with some very confused people.
The problem is with socialism is that people who want socialism cannot differentiate the state/gov't from the community and most of the time it is pure laziness. Since they want someone else to do it for them. Instead of all of their community doing work and chipping in in their collective ways.
which is why we need more liberty in the state before we can fully have liberty as individuals. I bet that liberty minded people donate more to charity either through some form of work or money.
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