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I can hear the John Meloncougar playing

"well I wuz boorn in a smawl town"

Yeah okay we get it Mr. Smalltown. Why, you're a "common folk" and a "small town" guy. Now back to logic.

Yes, the state assesses fines and can bring civil actions. That doesn't contradict anything I have said. If your reasoning is this poor, your results can't be much better. What I said is that a state prosecuting a crime is not "suing" in the name of another. And that it doesn't have to find a specific "victim" for there to be a crime. Nowhere did I say they can't or don't assess civil penalties.

Now, do I like civil penalties? Oh hell no. I also don't like strict liability crimes, parking tickets, day old sushi, and a whole lot of other things. But if you just want to dream up a pretend legal system with your own rules (or that of a sovereign guru) that isn't going to help you much in a court where things are done per the system we have - however faulty that is.

What's hilarious is that you think a judge at the trial court level is going to give one-tenth of a rat;s ass what your opinion of the law is. If you go into court saying "well the law doesn't consider the why factor and blah blah blah I don't see a victim and the law shouldn't require one even though it does" you have talked yourself into a loss. You might even sound good while losing (doubtful, but not impossible). But a loss nonetheless.

I prefer to help my clients deal with the system in reality. They get much more out of it that way.

One could go all sov citizen on the court when arrested and go and argue how unfair the law was, because it was unfair. Instead, one could a nice old affable geezer who gladhands the deputy DAs and schoomzes and cajoles and wheels and deals and get it dismissed entirely. That is much smarter than going into court and saying "hey Judge - listen, the legislature got it wrong, and if the people weren't all fascist scum like you, they would vote them out, but they don't, so listen, just dismiss the case against me so you can be a libertarian hero. Nevermind what happens when the prosecution appeals and wins that appeal because you acted outside the scope of the current case law (common law for the slow kids)."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein