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Revolutions begin when what can be lost is...

Revolutions begin when what can be lost is of lesser perceived value than what can be gained by remaining in the same system.

If I am starving today and have been for a while, my perceived value for freedom or my life will drop dramatically because the hope for a better future has been eliminated. Once that happens, anything goes.

"You mentioned in a perfect world", so, I would like to point out that in this imperfect world, a tariff would rob the people TWICE.
The slaves will still be enslaved, and now the tariff will keep them and their customers poor."

In this imperfect world, we have been sustaining economies and governments that would have otherwise collapsed or entered in to a revolution if our "wealth" had not been sustaining the farce.
If the slaves I mentioned were in a position where their "master" could not feed them anymore, you could bet that the masters heads would be rolling on the floor even if it took the lives of 90% of the slaves to do it.
The problem with going along with dictators is, that in the end, we end up financing them with the means required to perpetuate their dictatorships. Once there is no "money", there will be no funny.. :)

People will chose to die for their freedom if they don't have any other choice.

You say that it would rob the people twice.. on to the second.
The customer would not be robbed because a purchase of a product is a voluntary act in a free market. Would you buy a product produced by slaves that was more expensive (tariffs) than a product produced by a country that shared some, most or all of our values? I don't think so. Someone once said, don't give him the fish, teach him how to fish.. Now tell me, if the guy doesn't get a fish and is unwilling to learn, what do you think will happen? Maybe agriculture lol.. My point is, that if there is no fish on the table, and no will to go fishing, something has to happen because most people don't let themselves die that easy

"The slaves will still be enslaved, and now the tariff will keep them and their customers poor."

The slaves who were screwed will find themselves very screwed and will have to do something to regain their liberty from the master. If the customers of slaves go poor, is that such a bad thing? Not to me.

"Remember, the money spent on the tariff could've been used to actually produce something useful."

The money spent by the tariff would not be subtracted off the wallets of Liberty minded folks.. it would be subtracted off those who wish to purchase products from slaves because they can be cheaper without a tariff and it would come off the skin of the dictator who will have a harder time selling his slave produced products on the market. So, something useful for who?

"Tariff to fund the gov't, yes.
Tariff to increase prosperity, LMFAO!!!
Tariff to take away what little prosperity slaves have, IMMORAL!!"

"Tariff to fund the gov't, yes." Cool.
Tariff to increase prosperity, LMFAO!!! Why not? If people who choose to buy products from slaves decide to continue to do it and therefor pay in more to the pot (to finance small government) than they actually would if they didn't, will that not mean that everyone else spends less money supporting the small government and therefor bring more prosperity?

"Tariff to take away what little prosperity slaves have, IMMORAL!!"

Lol.. I have a post in the making where I will address the issue of morality in our movement, I will post it today. I addressed this point previously. Is it really "moral" to keep the master rich and justify his efforts in having slaves by creating a market for making it worth having them? Food for thought I hope.

"It all depends on what you want to accomplish. Tariffs make things more expense, which makes us go with less(explanation in my other reply). Support them ONLY if that is your goal."

I was clear about what I wanted to accomplish in the post you replied to previously.

"FWIW, please don't think I am trying to insult. Disproving protectionism is such a simple task that it's hard to NOT come off as insulting peoples' intelligence, lol. The proof really is self-evident, and common sense based, no matter how elaborate the defenses are."

I hope you are not and would bet you are not trying to insult anyone. One of the accusations that I get many times when talking about politics is that I sound arrogant when that is not my intention.
I admit that you do sound arrogant to me and I look forward to see your replies to my observations because you say that: "The proof really is self-evident, and common sense based, no matter how elaborate the defenses are."

My aim (and yours I hope) is the truth and if we have to brainstorm to get to it, let it be done. We are not looking for any virtual cookies or any debate awards I hope.. :)

Thank you for your reply.

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