“Which group would people join if there was a choice, a free choice, free from deception, threat, and violence?”
The way I see it, the choice would depend upon the goals of the individual making the choice. Are the goals of the person free from deception, threat and violence perpetrated upon others? Are you speaking of a sin fallen world, or are you speaking of a world where humankind is free from the sin nature?
I know of such a one in this sin fallen world who had a sin nature and who allowed that sin nature to dominate when that single person had a choice and that single person made the choice the choice to destroy life.
Thank you for the Kokesh link.
“Not many people are allowed to fly like a bird. I thank God for that, and much more. I owe, or am I credited?”
I can only imagine the feeling! It must be truly wonderful. I remember a helicopter ride in one with a bubble windshield. I paid for a ride at a carnival. I was mesmerized seeing nearly 360 from above. I also remember a commercial plane trip I took and we were flying into the sunset. It was a truly beautiful site of light and dark and color that one does not see at ground level.
“I owe, or am I credited?”
I can only speak for myself. I have been bought with a price and I am not my own.
“The word "deposit" means, legally, as in Legal Crime, means, means, means, your Debt Notes are transferred as a gift by you to the Bank.”
Why is it a gift to the bank? I thought the bank was HOLDING/PROTECTING my “deposit” FOR me, not as a transference of ownership to the bank.
“If you offer me words in English, words cut and pasted out of The Kings James Bible, are you expecting me to suddenly believe those words in the same way you believe those words? I am asking because I want to know the accurate answer. I can respond by cutting and pasting some information I read yesterday, and the information I read yesterday is either factual, accurate, and conveyed honestly, or it is in some way deceptive and therefore someone, somewhere, cooked the books.”
I cut and paste words from the King James Bible because those are the words I believe to be true. And if they are not true, then I have nothing to offer you. I suppose regarding what I expect for you to do is to take those words as truth, but I suppose you do not.
“I refrain from reporting to you the information I found yesterday for reasons that include a need to ask you first, to ask if you care to read the information I found yesterday, for reasons that include something along the lines of fair, as in equitable, not fare as in you owe me something, warning.
The information I found, if true, does not add any credibility, in my mind, to words written in English, in the King James Bible.”
It is fine if you would like to give me information you found yesterday regarding the King James Bible.
“I do want to know what Jesus said, and I do want to know what lies in the future.
I do not want more of the same falsehoods that are invented by, produced by, and maintained by people, inhuman people, who choose that way of life. “
“I have news for Ron Paul, it was lost in 1788 with the signing of the Slave Trade Deal known alternately as The Dirty Compromise and The Constitution of the United States of The Monopoly Money Corporation.”
I have been wanting to tell you, but the subject had not come up and I never remembered before hitting reply, but when I was listening to Cooper he said that the constitution was a good thing and that criminals themselves in their own writings said so…and now I am not able to say the rest of what I want to say, but it was something like the criminals had in mind a one world government and if the constitution survived that would be the rule of law but they knew it would not survive or something like that. Josf, I wish, I wish, I wish (3 times) that you would listen to Cooper. Youa re so much more smarter than I am and you can remember what you hear and understand it relative to your working knowledge of history. I am also going to tell you that I am pretty sure that the kind of religion that O’Connor has cooked up is the kind Cooper was warning against. As in the UCA. Please, Please, Please, take some time to listen to Cooper. Please.
“How much power is in one human soul?
I have 2 kids, so I have a way to measure the accurate answer to that question I just asked you, or anyone, and so the obvious, common sense, follow up question is to ask why would anyone allow anyone else to reap the souls out of our children for fun and profit?
Why pay the soul reapers more, and more, and more, and everything that you hold dear, and for what?”
I have told you before that the Amish couple that I am helping with Cancer treatment trips have around 150 grandchildren. The Amish do not sign their children up for war. They have a lot of power in their souls because they do not limit their production, nor do they even change their clocks every 6 months on schedule. They are pretty much self-sufficient. Their lives are hard compared to mine. Have you ever seen rye grain growing? I just saw it this spring. It is beautiful and tall. I did not recognize what it was so I asked. They plow and plant with draft horses. They do not register their buggy horses to drive on the highways like we do, nor do they pay into the social security fraud. They are gentle and simple. I am somewhat ashamed when Jon plays soldier in front of them. Their children don’t play like they are shooting humans. It is not even something they “practice.” Practice like you used the word. I mean pretend. See, I didn’t even remember your word PRETEND.
"That would be the Geneva Bible translated in Switzerland by those who had fled there because of persecution – Early Modern English – circa 1560."
Do you know the history of the invention, production, and maintenance of English Language? I do not. I now have one competitive source of information reporting on that question. Would you like to read that information on the invention, creation, and maintenance, or History, of English Language?”
Would you like me to read, write, or proof? Lol…seems I am writing instead of proofing like I said I would. Today is actually the first day since summer that I have been at home all day without any extra mouths to feed except those souls that are mine in the sense that I take care of them day in and day out.
So now I am getting the feeling that English isn’t good enough for me to link Bible words to you. What do you want me to do. Link Latin or Greek? Can you speak and read and understand those languages? The reason the Bible was translated to English was because the Religious Criminal Network were the only ones who were able to read the Scriptures and they even conducted the services in Latin. They even chained Bibles to the pulpits so the people could not read the words in the book for themselves.
Did you know the new Pope is a Jesuit?
“That is a word in English.
I don't care which English words are used by the most powerful criminals on this planet, they are all false, if the most powerful criminals on this planet used accurate symbols to label themselves then their accurate symbols would be DEMONIC symbols that stand to warn anyone coming in contact with them, in any way, as to what business they bring to the table.”
I don’t get what you are saying there, but did you know that One-Heaven (which I am not talking about) has taken complete control of all of the DEMONIC symbols per the Covenant written by O’Connor? It seems I cannot keep my word not to talk about it.
“In reference to Frank and his work I think that you are not speaking the truth. I think here, in this case, the error is a result of miscommunication. Frank says many things, and writes down many things, and then you translate what Frank writes, and your version is not his version, so where is the error?”
It is obviously mine. I must be too stupid to read English symbols.
“I know, trust, feel, think, believe, whatever, that you are not willfully targeting Frank and speaking false words about him, or bearing false witness of Frank, not willfully, so the cause of the error is not willful, but the error is as obvious as black and white.”
I have no need to target anyone to say false things about them. O’Connor’s system melds good and evil. There is no such melding according to the Bible. I believe what I read in the Bible. What I read from O’Connor’s Covenant is not what I read in the Bible.
“Frank writes something, and you write something, and they are not the same thing, so there is different meanings, from different perspectives, and so one is not the other, no matter how many times you may want to change what Frank says into being what you say Frank says, Frank is still speaking, he answered a question I offered to Frank on Wednesday. Frank can speak for himself. Frank can face his accusers as they may accuse him of this, or that, in any case whatsoever.”
You know, the way I see it, Joe, this is the same routine you pull on me every single time I have something opposite to say about someone you put stock in. They are not here to defend themselves, I am publicly hanging them, I am the judge and jury etc etc etc. It does not matter what that individual says in a public play or actually writes in a public place or who that individual joins with, it is always bear doing the dastardly deed by pointing out what I see as error. bear is not allowed an opinion? bear is not allowed to say someone is putting out false information? What if I say, Joe, how dare you talk about the Legal Criminals like that. They are not here to defend themselves. Hamilton is dead and gone, how dare you judge his intentions.
“Now you are claiming that Frank is a liar, and you base your claim on your viewpoint of his viewpoint, which is your viewpoint, not his.”
If I cannot read his words and interpret them correctly, then I am the biggest idiot in the world. The way you say things there is no way to ever ever ever interpret anyone’s words. Not even words that say the most important Free Love journal was Lucifer the Lightbearer. I can’t say anything about Pilger, Sheehan, Warren, Andrews, and now O’Connor. I am not allowed to have a bear perspective? Do you Josf have a monopoly on what can be thought about individuals even when they write their own words down in black and white for the general public to read? I cannot know their viewpoint by their words because only THEY know their own viewpoint expressed by their own words?
“You claim that Frank is a liar.
That is how Born again Christians conduct their human affairs?”
• 1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
“Your claim that Frank is a liar means something to you, and to me your claim means that Frank willfully distorts the truth, and if that is so, if that is what you mean, then you place your viewpoint superior to his viewpoint concerning the true relationship Frank has with God.
If that is true, if you are claiming that Frank willfully distorts the truth, then you are claiming that you know God better than Frank, you, not God, knows what Frank is, or is not, willfully reporting according to his, Frank's, current understanding of God.
In other words, you claim to know Frank's motives, finding him guilty before any defense Frank can muster, and since your public accusation passes sentence, in the form of public damnation, you execute the punishment of Frank by your willful actions, if that is what you mean, when you wrote that sentence in English.”
Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shalltheir unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar…
“Your relationship to God is what it is, and it is beyond my capacity to know. If God is all powerful, as some people say, people who have a relationship to God, then God has the power to make Frank believe one thing, and God has the power to make you believe something else, and how you and Frank managed to compare notes, is up to you, and Frank.”
Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shalltheir unbelief make the faith of God without effect ? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar…
“I can suggest that it isn't nice to connect Frank to lies, direct connections, here are lies, here is Frank, without offering a defense for such a connection being made by you.”
O’Connor connects himself with lies. He writes them. He claims ownership of his writings.
"The world is given the UCA model by whom?"
“You are asking a question so as to find the accurate answer, or you are merely reinforcing your belief that Frank is either willfully lying or what?”
My point is that O’Connor has given the world UCA. Who is O’Connor that he can write that all covenants have been superseded by the covenant he has authored which joins the The Most High and Holy God in contract with Lucifer in the form of a truce? Lucifer will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire and O’Connor cannot change that because he has dreamed up a New Contract that joins all religions and nullifies any part of those religions that happen to be contrary to the contract that he authored.
You continue to ask how I know the Devil didn’t write the Bible? How do you know that O’Connor is not the Devil?
“Do you understand what Frank means when Frank employs the symbols UCA?”
I read his definition of UCA. I can’t remember what the words mean but it is something about Unique Collective Awareness that IS God and everyone IS God and everyone is DIVINE.
“We can drop this subject matter entirely, between us two, as you please, and as this subject matter continues to be present, current, I am thoughtful of being kinder, gentler, and self censoring, so as not to injure anyone, not to attack any belief, not to discredit, not to bemoan, not to condemn. “
“I have my own brain working, my own perceptions, and the many puzzle pieces offered by Frank, historical references, documents, arrangements of symbols in English, prove to me to be competitive puzzle pieces as they fit here, and they fit there, better than having no piece in that place, and almost certainly not as good as the pieces that may arrive some time in the future.”
And I am telling you that he is a deceiver. He has not in any way made a contract between God and the Devil nor has he abolished hell. The AntiChrist will deceive the whole world. It is the job of Lucifer the Lightbearer to deceive thru illumination.
• Revelation 19:20 KJV
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
• Revelation 20:10 KJV
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Have you looked at O’Connor’s numbering system? 3 sets of 6 numbers. I don’t know if that is 666 or not, but it made me think about it.
“I do not take everything Frank writes as being absolutely true, that is not how my brain works, and I also know, measurably, and accurately measurably, that English is very hazardous, filled with land mines, when English is used to accomplish the goal of traveling from ignorance to less ignorance, traveling over that mine field. So...I many not have a clue as to what Frank knows, as to what Frank thinks, as to what God is doing to help Frank, or as to what Frank may be doing with God's help.”
I take everything written in the Bible as absolutely true. I am not in the habit of mixing truth with error. God said in the Old Testament that any prophets words that did not come 100% true was a false prophet.
“I think that Frank is contradicting himself, and I think that the source of that contradiction is the belief that things can be responsible for the actions of people. I already commented on one of Frank's Blogs as to that contention I have with his generous offerings of ideas.”
You trust someone that contradicts themself to write a Covenant which supersedes all other covenants and joins all religions under ONE and joins Good and Evil under ONE? That is a contradiction in itself.
“I am assuming that Frank wrote that, but as far as I know Frank is part of a small group of people working on the things they work on, in the way they work on those things. They are working on doing something about Legal Crime, as can be proven, in time.”
Read One-Heaven. He claims authorship.
And as far as working against Legal Crime, didn’t you tell me that the Legal Criminals figure out how to cut each other’s throats to get on top? How do you know that O’Connor is not just trying to be on the top of the heap?
“Again, I am inspired to ask, are your words willfully meant to punish Frank for the willful crime of lying? When I see a lie, and I follow the lie to the source of the lie, it is my willful routine to afford a defense against any charge, or accusation, that may suggest that the lie was willfully meant to be a willful deception invented by the person who authored the obvious and measurable lie.”
I punish no one.
“Your measure of the information is such that the information is not true, and you base that judgment upon a belief, so there is no way, or if there is a way you can show me the way, to prove that your belief is superior, over, better, dominating Frank's belief, crushing, destroying, and rendering Frank's belief subject to your belief, or is that not reasonable?
Your belief is true.
Your belief is that Frank's belief is false.
You defeat Frank's belief with your belief, because you say so, or because you have this paper, and this paper, and this paper, that says so, or because you have this belief, even without the paper, so that is that, and Frank is executed, or at least his Character is executed, by you, and yet there is Frank, on Wednesday, ready to take your call, ready to face his accusers. “
I only know what the Bible says.
“In point of fact, it seems to me, you are abdicating in this case right here, as you try, sentence, and execute public damnation of Frank, presumed guilty during the whole trial, and there is his Character tortured and dying at your hands.”
O’Connor places his words above the words in the Bible. That is just a fact. He bears his own responsibility. I have no issue with him or his character. My issue is with you and your character. I do not know O’Connor. I really do not know you. But I have cared for you as a friend. If I see a friend heading for trouble what kind of friend am I if I say nothing?
“Frank does no such thing, as far as I've seen so far, he is only kind, reasonable, and of the same character you are, good in every way, without exception, so far, but we are all only human, as I know.”
Satan’s misters transform themselves into angels of light. They can appear good and nice and cordial. Actually I do not find him at all reasonable because he Negates The Lord Jesus Christ.
“I do not call you a liar. Frank does not call you a liar. Just because I do not share your belief, and having no capacity to share your belief, despite efforts on my part to do so, just because I do not share your belief, does not, in my mind, automatically become you being a liar.”
I am a liar if the Bible is a Liar. I am a liar if the Bible is not the Word of God. I am a liar if Jesus is Not the Son of God and GOD HIMSELF. If those things are not true, then I am a liar and a liar of the worse sort: the blind leading the blind.
“Again, I do not believe things I do not know, and so Frank, and you, and many other people, who may believe things that I cannot know, does not automatically cause you, or Frank, to become liars, because you, or Frank, believes something I do not know at this moment.”
Either O’Connor is a liar or I am a liar. We are not both telling the truth about God.
“I do not believe things that I do not know, and that does not get twisted around in my mind to be me disbelieving things that I do not know. “
It is a mere choice:
• Joshua 24:15 KJV
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
“How can I disbelieve something I do not know, unless I resort to self deception?”
Perhaps one should look into deception? Satan is the deceiver. It is his job to deceive.
“I'm just a broken down, stupid, laborer.
I have not been chosen by God to be saved.”
• Revelation 22:17 KJV
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come . And let him that heareth say, Come . And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
“If I understand Frank's thinking, which is a leap of faith, then the idea is to have something in place to be a useful thing for people who share the need to fight against criminals who perpetrate crimes upon the innocent.”
Or he could be part of the Hegelian dialect.
“I don't know what is being saved.
I am not saved.
That does not mean that I don't ask to be saved, but when I say to you that I am not saved, when I say to you that I don't know, that means, I don't know.
I don't know.”
It simply means that you have personally placed your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sin before Holy God.
“I've been looking for specific words that document, confess, or otherwise serve as inculpatory evidence proving the fact that there is an Involuntary Association aspect to what Frank has to say, so far I have not found it. If you have found it, then I could have been shown it, but now you are washing your hands of it, so be it.”
http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/10.html 10.4 No claim of prior authority can prevail (link)
No claim of prior authority through any instrument or thing, no matter how old or sacred it is viewed, can prevail above this document. This document is the supreme, the one (1) and the original document above all others in the relationship of all Level 6 (self aware) life forms and higher order beings, living and deceased, to the Absolute and to each other.
"That there says I am already a member whether I choose to acknowledge the fact or not. How is that voluntary? Frank O'Connor wrote a document and claimed me as a member?"
“Do you tell me that God lives me?”
I only tell you what the Bible says. The Bible says that God is Love and that God loved the world. (I am assuming you mean loves, not lives.)
“I can ask you, why have I not been saved, if God loves me so much? Why did God allow all those people to be tortured and murdered, if God loves me so much?”
Because you must come as a child with childlike faith. You will not.
“Why did God torture and murder his only son, and then suggest by way of words in English that it is on my account that Jesus was tortured and murdered if God lives me so much?”
God did not do that. Satan did that.
“Please share your own welcome advice.”
I did and it was not welcomed. It was shunned and I was made the culprit, the deceiver, the liar, the judge.
http://one-heaven.org/covenant/article/10.html 10.5 The fulfillment of scripture (link)
This Covenant is the fulfillment of scripture. It is the Alpha and Omega. All souls who overcome their differences now awaken to the tree of knowledge within their minds, their immortal souls.
That is a lie. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega. The document written by O’Connor is a CON.
• Revelation 1:8 KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is , and which was , and which is to come , the Almighty.
Jesus is the WORD. Jesus is the Creator. Jesus is the Covenant. Jesus is the Redeemer. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and The Life. No ONE will come to the Father BUT by HIM.
I do not say that. The Bible does. The Bible and O’Connor are not in sync. Therefore O’Connor claims his writings authoritative. Very dangerous.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
God forbid, yea, let God be true, but every man a liar
I am a liar because I said I was done and I did not cease and desist on the O’Connor talk.
Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.
I did not take time to edit this great wall of text, nor did I soften my words. I hope I have not been too offensive. This is a very serious matter.
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