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Comment: hmmmm. the point i was trying

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hmmmm. the point i was trying

hmmmm. the point i was trying to establish is that, whatever freedoms we desire as individuals, they only have meaning if we can establish their legal enforcement. if it wasn't possible to do so, it would be absurd to talk about rights existing. so their existence is based 100% on asserting them and enforcing our claim, backing it up as individuals or together to incapacitate those who would deny them.

political freedom springs from combining with others to protect our common interests, to uphold whatever freedoms we demand be recognized. they don't come from any theory, anything inherent in nature, anything provable from logic, or from something god pre determined upon creation and told us.