Comment: you make very good points.

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you make very good points.

you make very good points.

the theory of the market is extremely smooth. if everyone could indeed be convinced that the long term interests of all are best served by no intervention whatsoever in the market, then the more narrow interests of individuals, classes and nations would find no outlet in political demands.

but nothing is so smooth in reality. human nature is such that people are not interested so much in what benefits everyone in the very long run, they are interested in what benefits themselves and their group in the short and medium term.

so the state, the political machine, will likely always be used by those with access to the means of influencing its direction.

if we accept that the state will always exist, in the sense of an apparatus of legal coercion, then we have to accept that different members of the community will try to use their power to influence the state.

businesses will do so through lobbying and manipulating public opinion.

the security/shadow state/intel apparatus will act in alliance with the rest of the financial and MIC to influence the direction of the state, using all the dirty tactics and psychological manipulation they are experts in.

working people who feel economically insecure will try to use their numbers to influence public policy for a social safety net.

the poor and inept, elderly and handicapped will want a provision of at least subsistence income so they do not starve.

parents will want provision of public education for their children and social security for their parents.

the existence of government and especially of government by the voters and elected officials implies that people will try to use the state to secure their interests at the expense of other.

i don't think argument or education will be able to change human nature sufficiently to make people only support whats best for everyone in the long term.

so then if people will inevitably act collectively to advance group interests, the next best thing is to try to have a robust middle class of individuals who see their interest in the free exercise of commercial peaceful activity, and care about their basic civil liberties.

and perhaps find some ways to roll back the influence of voters, parties, lobbyists -- roll back the democratic totalitarian state.

how to achieve these objectives realistically is the real problem. and we surely are not making much headway by convincing a small intellectual minority on the internet to believe in completely radical and utopian anarchism, which no one will buy.