Comment: Are you saying you don't draw

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Are you saying you don't draw

Are you saying you don't draw a distinction between a rule follower and someone with an ethical philosophy?

Yes the first behaves morally, a person who fears punishment can behave morally. They aren't a moral person. There is a difference.

Morality is NOT an ideal.

Here we very much agree.

It's a real definable thing, and it's not subjective. Maybe this will help, just like economics is not subjective. While elementally based on subjective preferences economics still follows analytically logical laws. Again with the physics analogy, in theory all the air could fly into a corner, individual molecule motion is not predictable. In theory you could inflate the money supply and not cause inflation, it would just take no one to ever notice. But in reality the results always go one way and must.

The Austrian contribution to economics is just this understanding. Personal choices are subjective, and must be. But due to the fact people do ALL have them we can deduce conclusions which are necessarily true.

What I'm suggesting, and what my work involves, is a similar understanding of ethics.

I have to head out to dinner but I'll try to not to leave you hanging too much about where this goes.

I don't believe in an ideal morality, that's a job for collectivists to tilt at and create ever more human misery.

I do know we can define the shape and parameters of an optimal morality. Part of that is minimizing conflict.

Why is minimizing conflict important? Isn't that assuming an a priori ideal?

No.

Minimizing conflict is important because when people behave co-cooperatively we know something necessarily true. That is that neither party found enough offense in the interaction to break the peace. That doesn't mean they were both happy, and one may harbor animosity. But objectively we know the offense was lower than their threshold for conflict. We also know most people seek out just such interactions.

Natural rights and law are similar. We can define them know their shape.

Ok gotta run, but just because human preference is subjective at an individual level doesn't mean we can't draw a lot of useful and necessarily true conclusions from a formal analysis.