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I heard him say that too.

One of the only things I could imagine not disagreeing with Stefan about, but at the least wanting to discuss further.

I would agree with him on this point to the same degree I would say that an alcoholic needs to reach rock-bottom before recovery is possible. The key is defining what 'rock-bottom' is for the person...

Better rock-bottom is a single-person car wreck resulting in 8 or 10 broken ribs, rather than one that leaves an innocent victim without...

9-11 was a panda job.