And it was what I was trying to say but you said it better. A collective doesn't need guns. Individuals need guns to protect them from the faux collective.
To us, the collective is what the collective DOES without violence. We agree!
ANY OTHER SORT OF 'COLLECTIVISM' is just an excuse for libido dominandi.
No self appelating collectivists disavow violence.
When they speak of collectivism, they are speaking of statism, they are speaking of evil.
My argument stands.
If collectivism does not involve non defensive use of guns, I am all for it.
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