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LOL: oh you mean you were too lazy,

so you decided to only read half the story?

So, nice try trying to give us half the story.

HowTF did your laziness become my fault?


Seriously, how does one "give half the story" when all these things are merely sourced from already publicly available articles?

Now, you would be correct, if I were to cite my own study, in which I intended to defraud you by weighing half the evidence, and selectively testing a pre-determined set of genomes, specifically to induce a predetermined outcome. But I'm not the one pushing a particular conclusion based on a study I never conducted to be peer-review published, now am I?

Oh, that's funny, because IF the following were so:

No one disputed any "Khazari origins",

then why would anyone reply with this:

AnCap... what you replied here REFUTES the Op not supports it. It directly contradicts what the Op says about who is a "real" Jew.

when the original OP's cited blurb by Connie Cook Smith's whole point was the dangers of many Americans deluding perhaps unknowingly that 'modern Jews' of Khazari origins are the same Biblical/Judean Jews (what you referred to as a "real Jew"), when they're NOT:

The American people are confused about the morality of modern-day Israel, because our schools and churches leave out essential Jewish history.

The European people who were shipped in to occupy Palestine as a Jewish homeland in 1948 are not related to the biblical Hebrews of Jesus’ time.


These Europeans had long ago emerged from Khazaria (southern Russia), where their king – for the purpose of greater, unified control – converted them to the Babylonian schools of Judaism in the 8th century. Thus, not only their DNA, but their perspectives are a different reality from the Judean teachings in Jesus’ world.


They are European/British/American conquerors. They are not the small percentage of ancient Judean Jews – who find themselves just as occupied as the Palestinians. exactly am I refuting the OP's assertion that the 'current 'Jews' who claim to be Biblical Jews are not Biblical Jews at all, but of Khazari origins,' and contradict that assertion, when I cite Israeli geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik's conclusions that proves that they are of Khazari origins?

You mean you really don't see why I would find your response somewhat puzzling?

So... "NO ONE" refuted Khazari origins? mean, you WEREN'T refuting me agreeing with the OP's assertions, when you mistakenly claimed that me 'agreeing' with the, actually "refuting"??

Ohhhhhhhhh...I 'get' it now: since you didn't fully read my rather "silly" and verbose reply the first time, and missed the .PDF link altogether, until I re-emphasized it for your convenience, so in the spirit of simply wanting to be 'correct'...about something, now you're telling me that even Khazari Jews, are Judean Jews? Got it. Ok.

Well, then you're STILL wrong!

LOL. Satisfaction denied! xD

The OP and my accordant reply were both asserting the fact that those of Khazari lineage are NOT the 'Biblical Jews' of Judea, aka. "real Jews" (whateverTF that means, but for the sake of discussion seeing as it's clear that Connie Cook Smith was referring to that term to mean 'Biblical Judean Jews').

What the OP and my reply was NOT about? Is, whether YOU thinking current batch of Khazari-progeny Jews living in Israel and its vicinity should ALSO be considered Jews as well. Or that the fact that in your mind that they're of Khazari lineage does not make them any more or less a "real Jew," so to you, they're all 'Biblical Jews.'

That the Jews whether from "Khazaria", Sephardim or Ashkenaz shared the same patrilineal DNA ancestors.

Indeed: "Nice try!" moving the goalpost, even though in Jewish traditions, the matrilineal factor is the determinant one! LOL

Oh and by the way, did the Iberian Peninsula, or the German Rhine Valley occupy the same location as the Ancient Judea? No?, how about that?

Personally, the entire concept of what a "real Jew" is, or is not, is utterly meaningless and frankly: absurd. As I've stated before:

But, my CORE pt. of my previous lengthy thread is that regardless of where, we're all simply human brothers and sisters who share about 99% same biology. So why fight? That, was the point. But to the specifics of where 'modern Jews' genetically hailed from? There's no doubt: they're Khazaris. But that's just a genetic fact. Who cares? It only matters politically in that area. Doesn't change who they are: TWO semites (both Jews and Palestinians) killing each other, literally over nothing, as more than any of us: they truly share the same blood.

It only matters to statist Israeli Jews, because they want to use that politically to define how the theocratic apartheid State of Israel will choose to categorically deny their own genetically same brethren of their god-given individual liberties, based on their own misinterpretation of a 'divine promise.'

It's a political tool. Nothing more. Nothing less.

That said, of course, you'd be 'correct,' hell, you'll ALWAYS be 'correct,' if you answer your own question that no one asked, nor was the original topic of discussion, like you know...oh, say..."No one disputed any "Khazari origins"??


c'est la vie.

I can already see that this is gonna become circular and we're gonna talk past each other, repeatedly; as always is the case with anything Israel and "Jews:" unless one is neutral on the whole matter like me, either you're a mindless AIPAC-dildo fcuker and/or every word out of your 'opponent' is a 'code word' for "anti-semitism," blah di fcuk blah, or on the opposite extreme, you're 'NOT rabidly anti-zionist enough!'-clique.

Take a pick: I choose NEITHER!

I frankly don't give a fcuk either way, in the finality, even though I got some Jewish blood in my family.

As for:

95+% of Jews who claim to be Jews share the same patrilineal DNA haplogroups

I AGREE with you (setting the controversy of haplogroup population genetics determinate methods and the lackluster random 'chance' mutation tracing via Y-DNA/mtDNA aside): that's because they're called "Palestinians," the 'other' "Semites." LOL!!!

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians
By Tomas Rees on Tuesday, January 20, 2009

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

The Times recently carried this unusual report on an Israeli Jew (Tsvi Misinai, a retired computer expert) who's hoping to prove that Palestinians are descended from Jews. Apparently, he thinks that proving this will help to stop the bloodshed. His idea is that modern Jews are descended from emigration in the first few centuries of the Christian era. The Jews who stayed put in Palestine converted to Islam, and became Palestinian Arabs. There's hope that genetic tests might be able to prove this.

Well, there is good news and bad news on that score.

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked at Y-chromosome haplotypes - this is the genetic material passed from father to son down the generations.

What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

Hey, if the Khazari-'Jews' are 'Judean Jews' to you? Then, so are the Palestinians.

The difference?

Palestinians ARE actual Semites.

In fact, they're probably much closer to the Judean Jewish lineage than the current Khazari progeny.

Proving more so, WHY these labels don't matter, in the end, anyway.

Which makes us dickering over the particulars of 'How Judean-Jewy-Jew are you?'-question utterly irrelevant, and laughable.

Which, like I said was my core point, all along: in the end we're all same human brothers and sisters. Not, whether being a 'real Jew' or not, matters in the finality, but even more so for those living in Palestine with distinctly different set of exercisable individual rights, today.

With that, I bid you adieu, on this particular topic.

-Been fun.

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul