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Forward.com: 'Jews a Race' Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert
”It’s so obvious for me,” Sand told the journal. “Some people, historians and even scientists, turn a blind eye to the truth. Once, to say Jews were a race was anti-Semitic, now to say they’re not a race is anti-Semitic. It’s crazy how history plays with us.”

That's you, that Shlomo Sand, the history professor at Tel Aviv University, is referring to: except, you're not a historian, nor a scientist, nor even a pretend geneticist, you're just an AIPAC-sockpuppet quackademic. Be that as it may, I gladly oblige, in your AI-development of your binary Frankenstein.

There's no dispute as to whether Khazari-Jews were converts, not natively of Palestine. But, that, has NEVER been my point of contention: I've NEVER said that Khazari Jews weren't Jews. But that does not change the fact that they're NOT Judean!

WHY is that so hard for you to fathom??

YOU:

You're funny.

ME: I know, and you're not. xD

YOU:

First, I'd like to point out that it is YOU who has turned this thread into the DPs anti-semitic two minute hate thread of the day. Now, onto the science:

ME: First, I'd like to point out that it was YOU who turned this into a base self-yap-fest verbal diarrhea because you CHOSE to smear other DP members (not just me) by calling them "anti-semites," and "neonazis with Aryan theories," at mere sign of ideas contrary to your simpleton SPLC/AIPAC-seminar notes, just like some brainwashed Likudnik drone.

Now, onto deconstructing your pretense of knowledge and comprehension-averse illiteracy:

YOU:

Perhaps you missed where in the study it stated that the original Judeo-Khazars were JUDEAN (Palestine) in origin.

[...]

Perhaps you also missed the part about european Jews being descendant from Israeli-Palestinian emigrees.

And that despite the differences between the two populations the genetic similarity between the two is still remarkable.

Further that Greco-Romans Jews, Mesopotamian Jews, and Judeans and Khazar Jews.

ME: Are you really that historically, definitionally, geographically clueless??

"Jud-EO-" is a religious disposition identifier: it literally means "of, or related to Judaism."

What it does NOT automatically mean is, Jud-EAN: as in, FROM Judea, as in a NATIVE INHABITANT of Judea, aka. Palestine, as in the geographical boundary known as Palestine and those from that land, and apropos of Biblical discussion, more accurately: those who are FROM Palestine during Biblical times, NOT modern converts.

You can be a Catholic Convert in 13th Century China, but no one would call that new Chinese convert or his still alive progeny in the 21st century, a Chinese Catholic from Rome, Italy. They maybe Catholic, but they're not Roman.

Arguendo, frankly it would be the same even IF, being a Catholic were considered in the same vein of controversially synonymous label as both a race/culture and a religion, like the Jews are today: the said Chinese Roman Catholic Convert still would not be a Roman, though he/she certainly would be a Catholic.

Capice?

Wanna know what the text from the study, that you've never fully read nor understood, ACTUALLY states? Read, for the first time and find out, Mr. Pretender:
Page 2: http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.e...

Recent sequencing of modern Caucasus populations prompted us to revisit the Khazarian Hypothesis and compare it with the Rhineland Hypothesis. We applied a wide range of population genetic analyses to compare these two hypotheses. Our findings support the Khazarian Hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. We further describe major difference among Caucasus populations explained by early presence of Judeans in the Southern and Central Caucasus. Our results have important implications on the demographic forces that shaped the genetic diversity in the Caucasus and medical studies.

As in, EUROPEAN, NOT JUDEAN. Capice? Also "Semitic ancestries" does not ONLY mean Palestinians (also Semites). But predominantly they're EUROPEAN, NOT JUDEAN. As he notes:

Contemporary Eastern European Jews comprise the largest ethno-religious aggregate of modern Jewish communities, accounting for nearly 90% of over 13 million Jews worldwide (UnitedJewish Communities 2003).

NINETY PERCENT, non-Judean origin. NINETY PERCENT. Capice?

Further more, those 90%, much of them are of Khazari origins. And, who were the Khazars?

The Khazars were a confederation of Slavic, Scythian,Hunnic-Bulgar, Iranian, Alans, and Turkish tribes who formed in the central-northern Caucasus one of most powerful empires during the late Iron Age and converted to Judaism in the 8th century CE (Figures 1-2) (Polak 1951; Brook 2006; Sand 2009).

CONVERTS from NON-Judean lineage, which now predominantly make up the 90% predominantly European, NON-Judean lineage.

Does that compute??

Page 4: http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.e...

The competing “Khazarian Hypothesis” considers Eastern European Jews to be the descendants of Khazars (Supplementary Note 1). The Khazars were a confederation of Slavic, Scythian,Hunnic-Bulgar, Iranian, Alans, and Turkish tribes who formed in the central-northern Caucasus one of most powerful empires during the late Iron Age and converted to Judaism in the 8th century CE (Figures 1-2) (Polak 1951; Brook 2006; Sand 2009). The Khazarian, Armenian, and Georgian populations forged from this amalgamation of tribes (Polak 1951) followed by relative isolation, differentiation, and genetic drift in situ (Balanovsky et al. 2011). Biblical and archeological records allude to active trade relationships between Proto-Judeans and Armeniansin the late centuries BCE (Polak 1951; Finkelstein and Silberman 2002), that likely resulted in a small scale admixture between these populations and a Judean presence in the Caucasus.

And where did the less than 10% Judean traces in the Caucasus MAY have occurred?

Biblical and archeological records allude to active trade relationships between Proto-Judeans and Armeniansin the late centuries BCE (Polak 1951; Finkelstein and Silberman 2002), that likely resulted in a small scale admixture between these populations and a Judean presence in the Caucasus.

Yes, people migrate, throughout history.

Arguendo, say hypothetically, Asian American community now make up 10% of the American population. If a genetic demographer were to examine the entire American population, based on that, would they then conclude that the entire Country's "predominantly Chinese" and Americans are from China?

Because, THAT, is the ASININELY preposterous 'logical' leap you're making, based on the above finding.

YOU:

That the conclusions of the study needs to be cited WITH CAUTION due to it's crude methods used for assessment.

ME: Um, and what part of your asinine 'logical' leap you made, is "cited with CAUTION," let alone assessed/analyzed properly?

We read the same thing, yet I read and you pretended to have read the same thing; you pre-concluded a-priori to FIT your already predisposed position to the new findings. Not, what the finding is ACTUALLY saying. Ya, friggin' rank amateur! LOL.

There's no dispute as to whether Khazari-Jews were converts, not natively of Palestine. But, that, has NEVER been my point of contention: I've NEVER said that Khazari Jews weren't Jews. But that does not change the fact that they're NOT Judean!

WHY is that so hard for you to fathom??

And, seeing how you're the one who replied to a post by me, the onus of understanding and rebutting WTF I'm talking about is ON YOU, NOT me.

So you can feign biitch and whine like as if I've been 'denying or disagreeing' with something I've never made a point of arguing;' all of this makes everything you've replied to me, utterly off point, moot, and frankly completely irrelevant.

Your conversational 'logic' leaves a lot to be desired.

Which makes me wonder, truly, have you read beyond page 2, out of the mere 37pages in that study??

YOU:

So, yes, it disagrees with your neonazi (or perhaps adopted from neonazi) irrational theories about Khazars not being "real" Jews.

LOL!!! STOP Projecting!

ME: The following was my very first reply to you, which you've apparently never read, nor bothered to understand where I was coming from, because some delusional asshole designated you to be knee-jerk 'anybody-Anti-AIPAC must be witch-hunted and purged! purged! I tell ya! purged!' Oh, right, that asshole would be you. LOL; ironically proving the reply title, why you don't read schit nor comprehend the very thing you think you're replying to:

Actually, NO: You didn't read it all, did you? xD LOL! 'tis okay
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sat, 09/28/2013 - 00:34. Permalink

But, my CORE pt. of my previous lengthy thread is that regardless of where, we're all simply human brothers and sisters who share about 99% same biology. So why fight? That, was the point. But to the specifics of where 'modern Jews' genetically hailed from? There's no doubt: they're Khazaris. But that's just a genetic fact. Who cares? It only matters politically in that area. Doesn't change who they are: TWO semites (both Jews and Palestinians) killing each other, literally over nothing, as more than any of us: they truly share the same blood.

referencing this previous reply, from another thread:

Well, guess it's not a simple topic; reading them in sections,
Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sun, 09/15/2013 - 22:08. Permalink

2. Hypocrisy of the AIPAC/ADL/Likudnik/NeoCon/RINO chickenschit war-WHORES who love to predictably smear those who want a peaceful world as "anti-semites" when especially the target of their oppression, ARE in fact "Semites" themselves, by the virtue of their own shared genetic markers with their own blood-kin brethren: the Palestinians.
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I go over the contentious intra-Isaeli, Jew-on-Jew geneticist debate over their own origins; recent scientifically peer-reviewed work that PROVES that at least, part of the theory that has long been dismissed as "conspiracy theory promoted by Holocaust deniers and 'anti-semites'": the Khazari origins of MODERN "Jews," has now been proven BY a JEWISH geneticist.

And of course, the AIPAC warWHOREs predictably went all ape-shiit.

Then I posted interviews, articles and counter arguments cited in MSM articles and science mags and blogs

And more recently:

actually, don't even need to do all that: if you really want to

Submitted by AnCapMercenary on Sat, 09/28/2013 - 00:23. Permalink

But, core point I tried to make in my previous thread was that, we're ALL the same human brothers and sisters; and more specifically, apropos of this discussion, if you get down to it, ALL Jews are genetic relatives of Palestinians: they're BOTH "semites."

It's literally brothers and sisters simply killing each other, all over Ruling Class propagandists' same old-same old program of 'divide and conquer' via tribal misunderstandings and a few cultural traits exploited as an ocean-wide 'differences,' when frankly, they literally share the same blood; from my previous thread:

But, Dr. Eran Elhaik summarizes my core point, much more eloquently:

“There is no Jewish genome and certainly no Jewish gene,” says the Israeli-born Elhaik. Instead, all humans are a mix of the same building blocks, built with slightly different architectures. “The confusion about European Jews results from their tragic history of persecutions and deportations, creating multiple links between ancestry and geography. By dismantling our notions of genetically distinct populations and understanding our kinship, we can better appreciate our common history, and more importantly, our shared future.“

I know you have some on going conspiracy delusion in your mind that's telling you that everyone but you, are all anti-semites who speak in 'codes,' but really, whyTF are you so insecurely paranoid?

YOU:

Lastly, NO HAPLOGROUP anaylsis was conducted.

ME: Um, seeing as how you haven't read past page 2, OF COURSE, you'd have no idea that, that was already covered; SNP test IS what confirms a haplogroup:

Page 6: http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/12/14/gbe.e...

Materials and Methods

Data collection. The complete data set contained 1,287 unrelated individuals of 8 Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations genotyped over 531,315 autosomal single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs). An LD-pruned data set was created by removing one member of any pair of SNPs in strong LD (r^2>0.4) in windows of 200 SNPs (sliding the window by 25 SNPs at a time) using indep-pairwise in PLINK (Purcell et al. 2007). This yielded a total of 221,558 autosomal SNPs that were chosen for all autosomal analyses except the identical by descent analysis that utilized the complete data set. Both data sets were obtained from http://www.evolutsioon.ut.ee/MAIT/jew_data/ (Behar et al. 2010). MtDNA and Y-chromosomal data were obtained from previously published data sets as appear in Behar et al. (2010). These markers were chosen to match the phylogenetic level of resolution achieved in previously reported data sets and represent a diversified set of markers. A total of 11,392 samples were assembled for mtDNA (6,089) and Y-chromosomal (5,303) analyses from 27 populations (Tables S1-2).

Which brings me to this: Do you know ANYTHING about what you're talking about??

I know, it's confusing, when no one told you that just because you don't call rape, a rape, and keep calling it "involuntary consensual sex," it still doesn't make it so: when a girl says no, it really means no!

Even though you delude if you say something long enough, like alchemy, you stop becoming an anti-semite, who's merely 'she doth protests too much' projecting your own deeply seated insecurities:

YOU:

Posting info from AnCap's cited study gets downvoted, because the information runs contrary to the neonazi theory of who is a "real" Jew. Typical.

ME: Psfsffsssssst. LOL. Um, do you need a hug? Do you?

YOU:

Only goes to prove the point.

ME: Indeed, thanks for proving your idiocy, every time you QWERTY.

YOU:

And, yes, AnCap, I cited the very study that you did. Thank you for that source.

ME: Yes, and you've proven to me again, why you're either illiterate and lazy, or willfully both.

When in doubt, repeat it! Because when an AIPAC dildo fcuker calls you an Anti-Semite, even though you got semitic blood in your family, you MUST be anti-semitic, if you repeat enough! wee!

YOU:

Therefore "AnCap", the certainty with which you speak is not only not warranted, you betray your anti-semitic bias by citing a study whose conclusions both undermine your argument of Israelis not being "real Jews" but also by propogating completely false Aryan neonazi theories about who is a "real" Jews, as if you are some kind of expert.

ME: Difference between you and me?

I have no problem being wrong or not knowing something, as long as I make an effort to find out or correct my misunderstandings.

I've never said, stated, alluded to, nor inferred that I'm some geneticist by profession or by training. However, you are someone who cannot hide your insecurity: you biitch and whine about "downvoting" more than you took time to read the URL you were supposedly 'rebutting.' Not to mention, you're so desperate, you have to resort to name-calling kindergarten SPLC/AIPAC-training manual semantics, like every petulant child who wants to knock over his Lego set or MegaBlocks, out of frustration because you couldn't force fit a rectangular piece into a trianglular hole, an exercise designed for 2yr olds.

It's clear you're not gonna read this reply, nor apologize for peppering "neonazi"-this, "Aryan"-that, with as much glee as a neoCon POS dropping "9/11" for noun, verb, pronoun, and preposition.

So this reply, isn't really for you; again, I reluctatnly replied to put this on the record, to let others know, what a haphazardly vacuous irrational AIPAC-dildo fcuked sockpuppet you are. And, yes, they will down vote you again, and you'll biitch, whine and cry, and pretend it doesn't hurt your 'feelings.'

Now, in case you really didn't understand the meaning of the word, before, seeing as how you like having things repeated to you: kindly FU, like forever, again, but for good.

LOL. Achhch. WTF: as if it matters whether you read fully, reply, or talk to yourself, and answer your own questions as if I'm the one who asked those.

LOL

Seeing as how you're so fond of empty unsubstantiated smears...though, you definitely 'she doth protests too much', whatever; I'm gonna close with this: Just Bugger the fcuk off, ya irrational racist, anti-semite, Aryan, apartheidist AIPAC-whore sockpuppet!

XD

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

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