most gays would be liberty oriented if they encountered most people who speak about liberty being well disposed to their well being? Same thing about immigrants -- if you wish immigrants to favor collectivism, keep trash talking and bashing them. If, on the other hand, you wish immigrants and gays (and many other groups who liberal Democrats have appealed to) to support liberty, defend THEIR liberty with as much energy and vigor as you do for gun owners and natural food advocates.
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