Comment: Ok --

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Ok --

-- fair enough. :). Still somewhat skeptical on that, but enough quibbling over the term 'atheist'.

I am interested, though -- which -ism will come to the table and have a conversation about a personal universe vs a non-personal universe? Maybe that's naturalism I'm after.

(And I suppose if naturalists do have beliefs about the nature of the universe, then they must not be atheists, since atheists have no such beliefs?)