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Comment: I don't see this as a black and white issue either--

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I don't see this as a black and white issue either--

but I'm concerned about 'trends'--about what appears to be an increasingly violent police state--

and increasingly apathetic "people" who are Americans.

I don't hate policemen, but I have grown very wary of them.

I think they over-react in many cases, and something that happened recently in our neighborhood showed that. Maybe a problem was taken care of, and maybe nobody was killed (though injured perhaps), but there was definitely more power shown than was needed for the incident.

I agree that collectivizing is a grave concern.

Perhaps there are a lot of 'good guys' who work for the Federal Reserve. Maybe some of the elite bankers don't cheat on their wives and would not run down a little old lady in the street.

But where a person works can make a difference even if he/she is a very good person.

I know a lot of good public school teachers, too, but in that system, even with very good ones, public schools are still not terribly successful, and there are enormous problems.

So, I don't know if the fact that many people who love liberty are wary of policeman is really the problem here.

I know a policeman; he is in our church. He has a big family and a nice smile. I find myself hoping he's not acting like a thug. But I know he thinks a lot of himself.

No easy answer on this one.

For the record, I don't "hate" policemen/women. But when an old man (unknown to us; we witnessed it though) with DUI equipment on his car--

goes off the wagon and drives drunk and is sitting in a driveway, muddled, begins to back out slowly--

is it necessary for a policeman to pull a gun on him, drag him out of the car (he did not resist; he was quite old, and it was very cold), put him down on the ground (in bitter cold) and handcuff him--


I think those machines for drunk driving are probably a very good idea, and I understand that the police needed to apprehend him.

But why did they have to go so far?

Was there any promise that that gun wouldn't go off and hit the window of a neighbor?

Was he going to use that gun, and on a man who was not resisting?

This just happened in our VERY quiet neighborhood last week; the man driving drunk just happened down our street and turned into a driveway there (nobody there knows him) to turn around. Maybe the police thought he was going to give them a chase, but there was no chase in him.

There were four police cars needed for this. I don't drink, and I don't believe those who drink should drive, but I felt this was very much 'over the top'.

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