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Government or

collectivist rule of any kind is only successful if it operates under the premise that coercion is a morally valid principle. i.e. the threat or force or violence against those that do not comply is acceptable.

IT IS NOT!

If you believe it is then this conversation should end because we are so far apart I do not think any sort of middle ground can be found.

Be in a collectively ruled society if that is what YOU want, if YOUR "government" is completely based on voluntary association and does not validate the principles of coercion I'm cool with it. My point is people should be able to associate voluntarily if association is "required" or you will be punished the moral validity of your proposed government is invalid.